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[DcifrThs]

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could easily be collusion.


if there were 2-3+ accounts playing together, it would be easiest to only cash out 1 account. Thus, the other accounts lose to this guy on purpose.

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or they could just give the money to their friend lol...

-Barron

[diddle]

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could easily be collusion.


if there were 2-3+ accounts playing together, it would be easiest to only cash out 1 account. Thus, the other accounts lose to this guy on purpose.


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or they could just give the money to their friend lol...

-Barron

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or they could just use one account. No reason it's more than one guy anyway.

[Rex Bluett]

if this guy is a highly effective cheat making hundreds of thousands of dollars wouldnt he be changing his identity on a regular basis as part of a plan to avoid detection and possibly lose a lucrative income

[PokerBob]

If Party can use screen-scrapes, why can't a computer savy guy as well? That said, if the guy is capping ATo, that means someone 3-bet, and that someone likely has ATo in trouble.

[stoxtrader]

i've logged hands against the guy and think he plays good.

he certainly gets value out of me when i make a 2nd best.

[BarronVangorToth]

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i've logged hands against the guy and think he plays good.

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I've been watching this thread the last few days and while I haven't gone as high as the Party 30 game, there are certainly enough people out there to watch this guy and get a better feel for the game.

I am not of the belief that someone can't have those stats and be a winning player OR a good player - he would be certainly very non-traditional, but he could have developed a style that is suited well to his image / metagame.

The best idea is to get as much information as possible as it's certainly best to examine if he has got onto something rather than blindly dismiss him as a lucky so-and-so or anything.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

[morello]

I don't know the guy in question so no comments there.

However, one of the biggest online winners overall, someone who never gets mentioned on these forums, runs at ~27% vpip (stars 30-60, 100-200) in 7handed+ games.

If I wasn't absolutely certain he was a big winner, I would consider him a fish. His numbers seem bad, and he does things that I don't understand. But he's destroying the games he plays in.

Just goes to show that simply looking at a VPIP number isn't going to give you the information you need.

Not that that's the case here, just that saying "he plays 30% of hands, he must be losing" isn't really a good argument.

[BarronVangorToth]

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"he plays 30% of hands, he must be losing" isn't really a good argument.

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Agreed. I absolutely believe it's possible to be a winning player with a 30. I think for most people, it isn't a viable strategy, as your post-flop skills have to be excellent.

The key boils down to what the other Barron (okay, he was here first, so the original Barron) discovers with his data. I know some (the other/original Barron included) have said that this isn't skill, but I'm not entirely convinced.

Yet. Even though it probably is either variance ahoy or collusion ahoy in some fashion.

Barron Vangor Toth
www.BarronVangorToth.com

[James282]

Out of curiousity, and I'm not trying to be a dick, have you ever played with this guy before? He does not play a +EV style. You're going to drive yourself nuts if you try to explain this run rationally.
-James

[Nikla]

I really like having him on the table. As for his run, I can't explain it. I think he's pretty damn bad. But he is aggressive, I'll give him that.