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Old 11-21-2007, 12:47 AM
GHAND GHAND is offline
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Default Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr

Really depends how aggro he is, usually i call and re-evaluate the turn with position as a default.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr

Some v questionable advice in this thread, IMO.
Barring a solid read, folding is far too weak.

Either shove now, but I prefer calling and re-evaluating turn, getting it in more often than not. I think checking flop, as was suggested, is particularly bad.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr

I don't think you can get a much better flop (without a J) for your hand. Since he called your raise. AA, KK, QQ would have probably reraise here. However, this is a tough spot. If you have a pretty good read on this guy and you think he would take this line with air then I would put him to the test. I would call here and then check/raise the turn. If he reraises on the turn then you have to reconsider how much he likes his hand. But if he is capable of firing 3 three wads with air then you need to test him.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:09 AM
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Default Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr

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I don't think you can get a much better flop (without a J) for your hand. Since he called your raise. AA, KK, QQ would have probably reraise here. However, this is a tough spot. If you have a pretty good read on this guy and you think he would take this line with air then I would put him to the test. I would call here and then check/raise the turn. If he reraises on the turn then you have to reconsider how much he likes his hand. But if he is capable of firing 3 three wads with air then you need to test him.

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Sorry, but it is impossible to chr him on turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:15 AM
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I don't think you can get a much better flop (without a J) for your hand. Since he called your raise. AA, KK, QQ would have probably reraise here. However, this is a tough spot. If you have a pretty good read on this guy and you think he would take this line with air then I would put him to the test. I would call here and then check/raise the turn. If he reraises on the turn then you have to reconsider how much he likes his hand. But if he is capable of firing 3 three wads with air then you need to test him.

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Sorry, but it is impossible to chr him on turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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My bad....Then you should bet for value if he checks as you more than likey have the best hand and if he fires I would raise. At least apply some pressure here.

Sorry for the position fu [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:22 AM
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I don't think you can get a much better flop (without a J) for your hand. Since he called your raise. AA, KK, QQ would have probably reraise here. However, this is a tough spot. If you have a pretty good read on this guy and you think he would take this line with air then I would put him to the test. I would call here and then check/raise the turn. If he reraises on the turn then you have to reconsider how much he likes his hand. But if he is capable of firing 3 three wads with air then you need to test him.

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Sorry, but it is impossible to chr him on turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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My bad....Then you should bet for value if he checks as you more than likey have the best hand and if he fires I would raise. At least apply some pressure here.

Sorry for the position fu [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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From my experience even very argessive players very rarely contunue bluffing on turn against a guy who has called the flop chr (and if they do, only with good draws). If he fires again on turn, I think I am behind at least 80% of time, so I fold.
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr

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I don't think you can get a much better flop (without a J) for your hand. Since he called your raise. AA, KK, QQ would have probably reraise here. However, this is a tough spot. If you have a pretty good read on this guy and you think he would take this line with air then I would put him to the test. I would call here and then check/raise the turn. If he reraises on the turn then you have to reconsider how much he likes his hand. But if he is capable of firing 3 three wads with air then you need to test him.

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Sorry, but it is impossible to chr him on turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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My bad....Then you should bet for value if he checks as you more than likey have the best hand and if he fires I would raise. At least apply some pressure here.

Sorry for the position fu [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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From my experience even very argessive players very rarely contunue bluffing on turn against a guy who has called the flop chr (and if they do, only with good draws). If he fires again on turn, I think I am behind at least 80% of time, so I fold.

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I think for you folding here would be the best option. He might have called your raise with 33, 55 or 99 so if you feel his line is telling you that I understand folding. I would go to check/call mode and look him up. But that's me. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2007, 01:40 AM
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no way u can fold this. u can't give a guy credit for set or JJ+. Call and stick it in on a lot of turns.

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ya, i pretty much agree with this.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: 1000NL, JJ on low card dry flop against chr

Given his VPIP is 28, I'm not particularly worried about a set... i'd probably just stick it on the flop.
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