Easy river decision?

[Guy McSucker]

Stars $5/10. Table is moving along quickly because it's not peak Alaskan playing time.

I don't know the main villain here much at all. Under 10 hands with him. He looks loosish but don't they all?

Villain raises UTG, I threebet AKo in the next seat, BB and villain call.

Flop is KK7. They check to me, I bet, only the villain calls.

Turn 9. Check, bet, call.

River 8 and he donks.

Is this an easy call? Easy raise? ??? ?

[secretprankster]

Easy raise.

[NinaWilliams]

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Easy raise.

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[Scary_Tiger]

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Easy raise.

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[Carmine]

Easy raise. He is using a WA/WB line (time to confirm he is behind) or he was calling down with 88 and got lucky or he is just making a desperation donk with AQ. Either way I raise/call and move on to the next hand.

[HoneyBadger]

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Easy raise. He is using a WA/WB line (time to confirm he is behind) or he was calling down with 88 and got lucky or he is just making a desperation donk with AQ. Either way I raise/call and move on to the next hand.

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If that is the case you should call [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Because if he is really following a proper WA/WB line he will fold to a raise, but 3-bet when he sucked out.

I think his range for calling a raise versus hands that beat you is probably wide enough to raise. Not sure though. Now I'm in doubt suddenly, maybe it's not such an easy raise as I thought when I first read the hand.

[Carmine]

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Easy raise. He is using a WA/WB line (time to confirm he is behind) or he was calling down with 88 and got lucky or he is just making a desperation donk with AQ. Either way I raise/call and move on to the next hand.

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If that is the case you should call [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Because if he is really following a proper WA/WB line he will fold to a raise, but 3-bet when he sucked out.


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That is true but against an unknown I think many players (and this includes 2+2'ers) cannot make the fold. In reality nothing is "easy" against an unknown. I could easily see villian playing 88 this way (we need to realize he knows nothing about us either), but he could also play AA/KQ/QQ/JJ/TT/A8 the same way and it is also hard to weigh one hand more heavily than another because, again, he is an unknown.

With so few combos that beat us and so many that "might" call a raise I think our raise will show profit.

EDIT: We need to also consider 77/99 as hands that he would play this way. Unlikely but still need to be considered

[Wolfram]

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Easy raise. He is using a WA/WB line (time to confirm he is behind) or he was calling down with 88 and got lucky or he is just making a desperation donk with AQ. Either way I raise/call and move on to the next hand.

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If that is the case you should call [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Because if he is really following a proper WA/WB line he will fold to a raise, but 3-bet when he sucked out.


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That is true but against an unknown I think many players (and this includes 2+2'ers) cannot make the fold.

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I myself am guilty of sometimes taking a WA/WB line vs an unknown and then being unable to fold to the river raise.

What I've started doing is just showing down in the first couple of WA/WB situations (like flopping a bad Ace vs a CO raise) to get a better read on the player. Then maybey I'll try donking the river one time, but often end up paying off the raise because I find it so hard to trust unknowns. After that I'll finally be able to fold to the river raise [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[sethypooh21]

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Stars $5/10. Table is moving along quickly because it's not peak Alaskan playing time.

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Now you're hurting my feelings

[Guy McSucker]

Hey! I got one right! I raised. He called. Awesome.