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Old 11-13-2007, 01:23 AM
willie24 willie24 is offline
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

lol
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

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I don't see how he puts you on AA/KK so easy.

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1. he knows me and knows that i am very tight early
2. he knows that i know that he is very tight early
3. he reraised a good player from middle position. he knows that i assume that he is extremely strong.
4. the pot size is a pittance. it is less than what the small blind will be on the bubble.


because of these, he knows that if i raise, i am never bluffing, and that i always think that i am stronger than his range (which i know to be very strong itself).

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But as Dunkman mentioned, it seems more likely that a smallish re-raise will be interpreted as AA/KK, then will be a shove. If thats right then your range is much wider on a shove (to him), which would make his calling range wider (a good thing for your hand).

I'd assume a player like foolishgolf knows you're committed and would likely put you all-in anyway if he were going to play. So it doesn't seem like his calling range is wider here than a push.
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:37 AM
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

I def. hate a go and go here. Shove pre. We don't want him folding anything we beat after he calls a preflop raise
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:38 AM
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

ok, sure. i would never reraise smaller than a push anyway here for the reasons you mentioned. he also understands what youre talking about and realizes that i would almost always push with AA/KK, rather than reraise small. so it's really a non-issue. the choice is between push, call, fold.
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

folding isnt an option here
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:57 AM
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

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second round of a $50 multi on AP. 271 entrants.

mattkupe is an sng and HU sng specialist who has won the ap tlb multiple times. he doesnt play many multis , but he understands tournament poker at a high level. fearless/creative type.

foolishgolf is an outstanding multi player. online pro or semi-pro. intelligent TAG...conservative early.

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These guys suck...but user#363 pwns....
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:53 AM
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

Shove. If foolinggolf is very tight early, his reraising range is like JJ+,AK or so, he's def calling a shove with at least QQ+.

Whatever you do here, you portray strength. You can't play too deceptively. By shoving you might get a call from AK and JJ, both of which can get away from flops they miss. Also consider that fooling is getting 1.55:1 odds to calling your shove (assuming OR folds), he has to put you on QQ+ only for a fold to be good.
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:14 PM
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the problem i have with a push is that, when i am not called, i win 390. when i am called, i am usually losing.

i am willing to bet that foolishgolf will fold QQ and perhaps AK to my push given the circumstances. he will certainly fold JJ. the single most likely hand for him is AA. while he is less than 50% to have AA, im going to have trouble getting paid much from his non-aa hands

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T390 is about 25% of your current stack, so I don't see the dilemma. Smooth calling would be terrible as you want to be HU with KK. Any re-raise would be a significant portion of yout stack, so you might as well push.
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:21 PM
halpgr halpgr is offline
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Default Re: awkward spot with KK preflop

What's awkward here? You have KK and it's 3bet when it gets to you. 4 bet all in preflop and hope at least one calls. If not then you're stack is still up 25%, an excellent result.
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