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Old 10-24-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

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Lincoln pretty much nixed this; states can no longer nullify Federal law.

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Specifically how did he do this, and how is it still kept in effect? And how do we change it back?

Amendment? Law? Court precedent?

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Lincoln did not change anything. The constitution is pretty clear in saying that this is a federal issue.

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Actually, no. Before Lincoln's war states had nullified Federal laws, specifically laws regarding the regulation of international trade. E.g. the Tariff of Abominations.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:54 PM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

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They hate Castro more than they like the Cuban citizens.

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Well, as Borodog mentioned earlier, sanctions hurt the citizens a lot more than Castro.
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:42 PM
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Bingo. It was passed in 1962 in order to "promote a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba through the application of sanctions directed at the Castro government and support for the Cuban people." It's now 2008. It appears the policy is either a failure or is having a glacially slow success rate.
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:48 PM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

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They hate Castro more than they like the Cuban citizens.

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Well, as Borodog mentioned earlier, sanctions hurt the citizens a lot more than Castro.

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Well, part of hating Castro is the belief he's bad for Cuba. They think Castro is worse for Cuba than the embargo.
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

Andy,

Do you view in threaded mode? If so, good God, man!
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Old 10-25-2007, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sanctions

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Who still buys into this economic sanctions bull [censored] anymore?
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1. Conservatives

2. Liberals

3. Mainstream politicians

Obama is more liberal than most on this issue and even he isn't in favor of lifting the entire embargo, just the travel and remittance restrictions. The Clintons are embargo fans and Bill Clinton signed a tightening of the embargo after the Cubans shot down a plane carrying dissidents.

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Old 10-25-2007, 03:36 AM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

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They hate Castro more than they like the Cuban citizens.

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Castro is hardly effected by it.
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Old 10-25-2007, 05:41 AM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

All tyrannical regimes need external enemies as the reason for their problems to preserve on the power. Without that they’d have to ‘invent’ them by media although that’s not so convenient and persuasive. Which mean that’s a greater threat to leaders on power for controlling over their own people. I’d say without sanctions Castro’s regime would be over a few decades ago.

So called ‘most democratic’ countries are ‘producing’ external enemies for the same reasons as well – for control over their own people and as a tool of manipulation to preserve or jump on the power. It’s a win-win situation for both regimes. The tragedy is that ordinary people are affected in both countries.

It’s easy to find some correlations with Osama bin Laden. Anyone wondering why state enemy no. 1 is not a real target for US administration? Sadly, it’s because he’s worth much more to them alive for the same reasons as above. A clear win-win situation for both parties again and ordinary people are paying the price on both sites again.
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

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They hate Castro more than they like the Cuban citizens.

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Well, as Borodog mentioned earlier, sanctions hurt the citizens a lot more than Castro.

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Well, part of hating Castro is the belief he's bad for Cuba. They think Castro is worse for Cuba than the embargo.

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Right so why support BOTH bad things?
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:28 AM
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Default Re: Bush \"Supports the Cuban People\" While Maintaining Economic Sancti

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All tyrannical regimes need external enemies as the reason for their problems to preserve on the power.

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No they don't. They do that sometimes but there are plenty of people who enjoy the jackboot.
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