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Old 11-18-2007, 07:19 AM
NLStudent NLStudent is offline
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Default River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

No reads on Villain, i have been at this table for only 1 orbit or so
Does his min raise allow him to represent the flush ?

CD Poker 0.25/0.50

saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button <font color="#C00000">Hero ($56.75)</font>
SB ($49.50)
BB <font color="#C00000">BB ($72.85)</font>
UTG ($51.80)
UTG+1 ($48.70)
CO ($48.25)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero raises to 2.00, 1 fold, BB calls 1.50.

Flop (4.25) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets 3.00, BB calls 3.00.

Turn (10.25) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets 7.00, BB raises to 14.00, Hero calls 7.00.

River (38.25) A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB bets 38.00, Hero ??
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:47 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

From what I have seen giant river bets are either the nuts or desperation bluffs. I know many villain that do this with complete air on any 3flush board in an attempt to represent the flush.

However turn min-check raises usually mean uber strength and
there are still way more villains tough that will do this with better flushes, Id fold it.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:09 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

Tough. He's likely to have a flush.. disgusting.. never the less a fold.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:30 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

fistpump shove please.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:31 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

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Tough. He's likely to have a flush.. disgusting.. never the less a fold.

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Hmmm .. I'd snapcall here, pot is laying 2-1, so you only have to win 1 in 3 here ... and I feel you'll be shown either a bluff or a flush smaller than your T high flush often enough.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:34 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

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fistpump shove please.

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That is off course a valid course to take as well [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

This is def not a clear cut fold IMO... There's three possible flushes that beat u, heaps u beat... Would he'd play this differently with 89 of diamonds? I actually think I wud have a difficult time laying this against a random at these stakes, they overvalue there hands way to often... Most unknowns wont bet this big with a flush on the river either imo... And turn minraises always being strength is bs! I'll call
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:56 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

Call every single time. Infact I go all in here. You have a decent hand cash it in. You're not beaten her too often. He might even be slowplaying a set or something stupid.
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Old 11-18-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: River Decision with possible 2nd best hand

I know we are not supposed to post results, but I find it interesting to tell you what happend this time.

I thought : the only hand that beats me is a higher flush, if he had it, maybe would he value bet it without betting so much, but I really didn't give him credit for having in mind "that other dude might have a flush as well, I'm going to move all in to stack him if that's the case"
Considering the odds, the likeliness of a lesser flush OR some 2pair/set/67straight OR bluff, I called after emptying my time bank.

He showed 10c 9h for a busted gutshot draw (!!!!!!!). ..
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