the proof is in the pudding

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i MAKE 3 to 1 on my money.

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lol


If you're reliably making 3:1 every 60-90 days, you'd be a multi-millionaire from sports betting alone.

my suspicion is, you are just a troll. that's a strong suspicion.


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i MAKE 3 to 1 on my money.

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lol


If you're reliably making 3:1 every 60-90 days, you'd be a multi-millionaire from sports betting alone.

my suspicion is, you are just a troll. that's a strong suspicion.


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What is the definition of a troll and what does it take to be banned from 2+2?

Is a troll someone who is purposely pretending to be retarded? or is a troll someone who genuinely is?

If it is the latter, I don't understand why people make fun of trolls so often...at one point in my life I was also a troll(though somehow magically I cannot remember such a time, nor does my memory beleive that time ever existed).

Also to those making bets with the suspected "troll", how often have you ever had real action from a thread like this? He comes here looking for fame and possibly affirmation of his beliefs and you directly contradict him and want to take the other end of him in a prop bet...Now how could you expect him to bet with you? The entire reason why you suspect he would want to take the bet with you is because if he thinks he is 62%, then he would realize he has an edge that is exploitable via the bet with you. But no one who legitimately makes posts like this would understand the second half and no one who is faking the post would be stupid enough to put money on it. This leads me to believe offering to bet against someone is just another "my penis is larger than yours because I say so" argument. Which is essentially also a troll job.

[mogwai316]

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What is the definition of a troll

Is a troll someone who is purposely pretending to be retarded? or is a troll someone who genuinely is?


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Could be either, some really believe what they're saying is true and some don't. It matters less than you'd think. The main idea behind trolling is simply to stir [censored] up. They make purposefully inflammatory posts designed to bait people into flaming them or engaging in a long, drawn-out useless argument. They get a kick from getting reactions out of people. It's often disguised as trying to start a meaningful discussion about something, e.g. see Sklansky's posts on various other forums.

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Also to those making bets with the suspected "troll", how often have you ever had real action from a thread like this? He comes here looking for fame and possibly affirmation of his beliefs and you directly contradict him and want to take the other end of him in a prop bet...Now how could you expect him to bet with you?


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I don't know the exact numbers but I'm sure that not many bets with trolls actually take place, mostly because once confronted by someone willing to back up their argument with money, they usually disappear or backtrack, change their terms, etc.

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This leads me to believe offering to bet against someone is just another "my penis is larger than yours because I say so" argument. Which is essentially also a troll job.


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I don't agree that it's just an e-peen thing. The regulars in this forum enjoy betting and always have their eyes open for +EV bets. If someone comes in making outlandish statements, then we have no problem trying to make some money off them if the opportunity arises. Supporting your argument by being willing to place money on it strengthens your case and forces the troll to put up or shut up, basically. It also helps to educate the new folks reading the threads; they will be less inclined to believe the trolls who are spouting incorrect (and often harmful) ideas if they see respected regulars willing to make high-stakes bets against them.

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I don't agree that it's just an e-peen thing. The regulars in this forum enjoy betting and always have their eyes open for +EV bets. If someone comes in making outlandish statements, then we have no problem trying to make some money off them if the opportunity arises. Supporting your argument by being willing to place money on it strengthens your case and forces the troll to put up or shut up, basically. It also helps to educate the new folks reading the threads; they will be less inclined to believe the trolls who are spouting incorrect (and often harmful) ideas if they see respected regulars willing to make high-stakes bets against them.

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I don't agree with this. First off the troll has been identified BEFORE the bet is wagered, meaning the odds of the bet being taken are next to zero from that point already. So what is the purpose of offering the bet? The malicious troller will just continue to stir up controvery saying something like "10K isn't enough, I'll only do it if you want to bet 100 million" or "I don't trust you, prove your worth" etc to keep the controversy going. To me it still boils down to a e-peen thing, but I'm not opposed to being convinced otherwise.

Maybe this is a strawman argument, but offering to bet when you know no bet will be placed is a e-peen thing. To me the EV of offering to bet with a troll is less than betting obviously errant lines @ books or begging on the street. The bet is almost never gonna happen.

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I don't agree that it's just an e-peen thing. The regulars in this forum enjoy betting and always have their eyes open for +EV bets. If someone comes in making outlandish statements, then we have no problem trying to make some money off them if the opportunity arises. Supporting your argument by being willing to place money on it strengthens your case and forces the troll to put up or shut up, basically. It also helps to educate the new folks reading the threads; they will be less inclined to believe the trolls who are spouting incorrect (and often harmful) ideas if they see respected regulars willing to make high-stakes bets against them.

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I don't agree with this. First off the troll has been identified BEFORE the bet is wagered, meaning the odds of the bet being taken are next to zero from that point already. So what is the purpose of offering the bet? The malicious troller will just continue to stir up controvery saying something like "10K isn't enough, I'll only do it if you want to bet 100 million" or "I don't trust you, prove your worth" etc to keep the controversy going. To me it still boils down to a e-peen thing, but I'm not opposed to being convinced otherwise.

Maybe this is a strawman argument, but offering to bet when you know no bet will be placed is a e-peen thing. To me the EV of offering to bet with a troll is less than betting obviously errant lines @ books or begging on the street. The bet is almost never gonna happen.

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It'd be like me offering to have a weightlifting competition or offering to meet someone in a dark alley on a message board. Do I genuinely think I'd outlift them or beat the #$(& out of them? Yes. But it doesn't matter, it's still just my e-peen cuz it ain't gonna happen.

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offering to bet when you know no bet will be placed

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I am certainly hoping one will be placed!!! Edges are hard enough to find - I push them when I can get them. Not to mention the prospect of forum-wide drama (pronounced "dramma").

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offering to bet when you know no bet will be placed

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I am certainly hoping one will be placed!!! Edges are hard enough to find - I push them when I can get them. Not to mention the prospect of forum-wide drama (pronounced "dramma").

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Hope has nothing to do with it. You must agree that the odds of the bet being placed are next to 0 and you probably have data to support that, i certainly do.

Hope is a pretty weak argument, especially on a sportsbetting forum.

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odds of the bet being placed are next to 0

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I think they may be a bit higher than this.