rethinking a standard bet spot

[ddubois]

This thread was in the back of my mind when I played this hand. Villain is excessively aggro, and I knew he would bet anything when checked to. Did I [censored] up the idea?

$5/$10 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $1982
MP: $1128
BTN: $1000
Hero (SB): $2045.85
BB: $1147

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($15, 5 players)
UTG folds, MP folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, BB calls $20

<font color="black">Flop:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($60, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $40</font>, Hero calls $40

<font color="black">Turn:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($140, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $90</font>, Hero calls $90

<font color="black">River:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($320, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $230</font>, Hero calls $230

<font color="white">Results:
Hero had As 5s (a pair of Aces)
BB had 3h Qh (two pair, Queens and Threes) and won $777
Final Pot: $777.00 ($3.00 rake)</font>

[lanerunner]

very basic, if you dont bet here play checkers
- value
- make them pay for their draw
- see where you are
I could go on.....

[dtan05]

ddub, would a crai on turn be bad?

[DJ Sensei]

ddub I think your line is fine against a very aggro villain, unless you have reads that he won't fire the third barrel light. So, maybe fold river if thats the case, but the rest I like.

[SlowHabit]

I think a more interesting question is what do you do if someone leads into you (who you know majority of his range include flush draws). Do you get it in as much as possible with him drawing dead (and also hope that he folds some of his lower kicker) or do you take the passive route and calls his barrels?

[Big_Jim]

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I think a more interesting question is what do you do if someone leads into you (who you know majority of his range include flush draws). Do you get it in as much as possible with him drawing dead (and also hope that he folds some of his lower kicker) or do you take the passive route and calls his barrels?

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I think this question is far less interesting, and that the passive route is vastly superior, in this case.

[Clayton]

why not bet 1/3 pot?

[Hoopster81]

[ QUOTE ]
This thread was in the back of my mind when I played this hand. Villain is excessively aggro, and I knew he would bet anything when checked to. Did I [censored] up the idea?

$5/$10 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $1982
MP: $1128
BTN: $1000
Hero (SB): $2045.85
BB: $1147

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($15, 5 players)
UTG folds, MP folds, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, BB calls $20

<font color="black">Flop:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($60, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $40</font>, Hero calls $40

<font color="black">Turn:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($140, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $90</font>, Hero calls $90

<font color="black">River:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($320, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $230</font>, Hero calls $230

<font color="white">Results:
Hero had As 5s (a pair of Aces)
BB had 3h Qh (two pair, Queens and Threes) and won $777
Final Pot: $777.00 ($3.00 rake)</font>

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I dislike this even more in the context of a blind battle. I am looking to b/3bet this flop for sure here.

[Parlay Slow]

Checking behind flopped flush draws last to act as the pre flop raiser is a standard mix it up play.

When you flop top pair (where the pair is J+), it becomes an even more attractive spot to employ the change up check because you still have top pair..