Ron Paul - clear on abortion

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"Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder."

OK, we know were Ron Paul stands on a fundamental issue as women's choice. No minced words in the above statement!

Why would such a candidate gain any popularity? IMO, because people are not aware or don't understand his reasoning!

[zasterguava]

I think his script writers need to work on this issue abit harder; most people will see through this. Also, most serious political speech makers have a huge disdain towards speeches that use Nazism as an analogy, especially in this case where he is likening the unborn fetus to the Jewish people.

[Subfallen]

It's quite easy to choose a rational ethics that condemns abortion. I don't care about this, even though I'm pro-choice.

However, it's impossible to argue for the rational superiority of theism in good faith, and absurd to argue for the priority of a specific religion (Christianity LDO.) So I'm pretty disillusioned with Paul after reading that other thread.

[Ron Burgundy]

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Why would such a candidate gain any popularity? IMO, because people are not aware or don't understand his reasoning!

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Wow, RP really gets under your skin eh? sweet

[zasterguava]

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Why would such a candidate gain any popularity? IMO, because people are not aware or don't understand his reasoning!

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Wow, RP really gets under your skin eh? sweet

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Wow, RP reallys gets you a boner eh? sweet

Seriously you whole banner for Ron Paul is kinda obsessive compulisve imo- considering this is a poker forum. I dont think it should be allowed really either, its abit like spam and it IS propoganda.

[John Kilduff]

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"Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder."

OK, we know were Ron Paul stands on a fundamental issue as women's choice. No minced words in the above statement!

Why would such a candidate gain any popularity? IMO, because people are not aware or don't understand his reasoning!

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Ron Paul thinks abortion is murder. So what? What matters is whether he will favor the proper constitutional methods to address the issue of abortion. As long as he favors following the Constitution above everything else, it doesn't matter much what his personally held beliefs are about any one specific topic (like abortion). I have read that his voting record in Congress has always been based stricly on accordance with the Constitution.

Do you have anything that shows what he thinks the proper constitutional procedure would be to address the question of abortion? I think I read that he thinks Roe v. Wade (which prohibited the states from determining the legality of abortion) was a flawed decision (and IMO it may indeed have been). If so, he's far from alone in this view. By the way, is Roe v. Wade (or a related case) scheduled to be revisited or heard by SCOTUS?

When it comes to federal authority and action, following the Constitution > personal beliefs, and as long as Ron Paul supports following the Constitution in addressing such issues, he's miles ahead of any mental midgets (be they politicians, voters or pundits) who think that select specific issues are more important than the Constitution.

Ron Paul says that most of the troubles America finds itself in, are because of a falling away from following the Constitution, and that if America were to return to following the Constitution, most of our problems would be solved. I think he's right on that.

As long as Ron Paul favors a properly constitutional approach to the abortion issue, IMO he's right regardless of his personal views on abortion, and he would be a very good President if he holds to that principle in addressing every issue.

Thanks for reading.

edit 2: on Ron Paul's record:

"Who other than Dr. Paul has “voted nine out of nine times against raising his own pay”? Who other than Dr. Paul has refused to partake in the obscene congressional pension scheme, a veritable shakedown of the indentured taxpayer?

Nicknamed “Dr. No” for voting against all legislation that isn’t expressly authorized by the Constitution, Ron Paul has never voted for an unbalanced budget; never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership; never voted to increase the power of the executive branch; and never taken a government-paid junket.

And he voted no to the Iraq war."

Ilana Mercer compares Huckabee and Paul, illustrating great differences between them

[Inso0]

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"Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder."

OK, we know were Ron Paul stands on a fundamental issue as women's choice. No minced words in the above statement!

Why would such a candidate gain any popularity? IMO, because people are not aware or don't understand his reasoning!

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what the [censored]?

You just posted a block of text about how Ron Paul is against the slaughter of unborn children, and you see it as a strike against WOMENS' RIGHTS!?

It's absolutely unbelievable how the mind of the left works....

A woman can birth the head of her full term child, drill a hole in its head and suck out his brain and it's ok, that's just an abortion and she has the right to decide. But some maniac KILLS a woman who is 6 months pregnant, and he should be charged with 2 murders?

Thank GOD we have enough people like Ron Paul in government to at least slow the pro-abortion people down...

I don't have to agree with liberals on everything, and I can fully understand some of their "values" and why they would hold them. But abortion is just one where you guys are all wet.

You're killing human beings.

If you dont want your child for your own selfish reasons, then give it up for adoption. There are a lot of people who want to adopt infants. Your problem lies with neglecting the child for 5 or 6 years, then having it taken away from you and it gets stuck in the foster care system. A good system, but a system severely lacking in resources. That, and few people looking to adopt want to deal with the emotionally damaged child you have created.

[zasterguava]

Im against abortion... but im pro-choice and a libertarian (not of the US libertarianism though) so I think it should be up to the individual to decide if they want to abort their unborn baby. I certainly don't think its upto a conservative (or liberal) judge to force a 17 year old girl to give bith to an unwanted baby. There are also sensible domestic and economic reasons as to why abortion should be allowed e.g crime rates and the impossibility of preventing underground (more dangerous) abortion clinics.

[Borodog]

Even if I didn't support Dr. Paul I would have to start supporting because he drives Midge nuts.

Neither Dr. Paul's personal feelings about abortion nor what should be legislated regarding it at the state level have any relevence to his run for the presidency, because it is a state issue and not a federal one. The "worst" that Dr. Paul has done is introduce legislation to restore state sovereignty on the issue (just like he would do with innumerable other issues).

How many times does this have to come up?

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Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Oct. 31-Nov. 1, 2007. N=1,002 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4 (for all registered voters).

"In deciding which presidential candidate to support in 2008, which one of the following issues is most important to you: [see below]?" Options rotated

ALL Republicans Democrats Independents
% % % %
The economy and jobs 22 14 30 19
Iraq 19 13 26 19
Health care 17 14 22 15
Terrorism and national security 15 27 5 14
Taxes and government spending 10 16 4 11
Immigration 7 10 3 8
The environment and global warming 5 1 7 8
Other/None of these (vol.) 1 2 - 1
Unsure 4 3 3 5

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CBS News Poll. Oct. 12-16, 2007. N=1,143 registered voters nationwide.

"Which one issue would you most like to hear the candidates for president discuss during the 2008 presidential campaign?" Open-ended

%
War in Iraq 26
Health care 25
Economy/Jobs 11
Immigration 6
Education 3
Environment 2
Social Security 2
Defense/Military 2
Terrorism (general) 2
Abortion 1
Other 12
Unsure 8

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NEWSFLASH: NOBODY GIVES A [censored].

[Inso0]

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Im against abortion... but im pro-choice and a libertarian (not of the US libertarianism though) so I think it should be up to the individual to decide if they want to abort their unborn baby. I certainly don't think its upto a conservative (or liberal) judge to force a 17 year old girl to give bith to an unwanted baby. There are also sensible domestic and economic reasons as to why abortion should be allowed e.g crime rates and the impossibility of preventing underground (more dangerous) abortion clinics.

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That sounds like the same argument the left is using to justify giving out birth control to 10 year olds in the public school system.

"Well, they're going to have sex anyway, so we should give them taxpayer supplied birth control. But remember, we can't tell the parents about it, because that's infringing on little Sally's personal rights. And if we told her parents, they might not use it!"

/headexplodes