a peel and a river

NinaWilliams · #1 08-29-2007, 07:32 PM

Both are unknown.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero

Tryptamean · #2 08-29-2007, 07:39 PM

I would value bet. I think you get two fold more often than not, but who knows one of these dudes may call with A hi or a badly played 4x,3x. I don't think you get a bluff out of button often enough and he will certainly check down his A hi if that's what he has.

sharpie · #3 08-29-2007, 07:56 PM

Yea I'd value bet. Pretty unlikely you're behind.

kimchi · #4 08-29-2007, 08:02 PM

The button has missed and isn't going to bluff at 2 opponents.

I'm not too keen on the SB still being here, but since he checked to you, I'd probably value bet.

If he were to bet, I'd probably go for an overcall or fold depending on any reads.

mute · #5 08-29-2007, 08:06 PM

No comments on the peel yet. I think it's pretty bad.

Bet the river. Button has ace high and SB likely has a smaller pair or busted draw.

Tryptamean · #6 08-29-2007, 08:09 PM

Yeah, the peel jumped out at me too at first, but I think its ok and I would probably make it as well. You are getting pretty decent odds, closing the action, and a fair possibility of seeing the river for that price with your backdoor draws. Oh yeah, you might even have the best hand. Maybe its thin, but certainly not pretty bad.

mvoss · #7 08-29-2007, 08:12 PM

With an OC, one card higher than the middle card on the board a BDSD and a BDFD I don't think the peel is bad. It's probably close, but nowhere near bad imo.

mute · #8 08-29-2007, 08:12 PM

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Yeah, the peel jumped out at me too at first, but I think its ok and I would probably make it as well. You are getting pretty decent odds, closing the action, and a fair possibility of seeing the river for that price with your backdoor draws. Oh yeah, you might even have the best hand. Maybe its thin, but certainly not pretty bad.

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Heh, I was just thinking about editing my post, and taking away the pretty bad statement. Still a bit too loose for my taste, but I agree, that "pretty bad" was stretching it.

sharpie · #9 08-29-2007, 08:15 PM

I don't think the flop peel is bad when you factor in the chance of a free card.

TheHip41 · #10 08-29-2007, 11:13 PM

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I don't think the flop peel is bad when you factor in the chance of a free card.

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I disagree with this. With the button betting, and the sb calling, and having no pair and no draw, I'd fold the flop.

Even if you have the best hand right now, like someone said above, it doesn't matter much, because the chances of you staying ahead are slim, and when you are ahead, the chances of the turn and river going c/c/c are small.

All this combined, I just fold.

If you had two cards higher than the 8, and backdoor flush draw, thats different.

It's close, but I think this is just a variance building play.