hmmmmm turn

jbird · #1 11-14-2007, 10:14 AM

Villain is new to me but was running at 60/23 over about 40 hands or so...

What do you do on this turn and why? What's your plan for the river if you aren't folding?

Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $119.70
CO: $60.45
Button: $105.45
SB: $78.75
jbird: $203

Pre-flop: (5 players) jbird is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button raises to $4.5, SB folds, jbird calls, CO calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($14, 3 players)
jbird checks, CO checks, Button bets $10, jbird calls, CO folds.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($34, 2 players)
jbird checks, Button bets $32

ColdDecker333 · #2 11-14-2007, 10:16 AM

You have screwed every street this far already.

jbird · #3 11-14-2007, 10:17 AM

lol

RoundTower · #4 11-14-2007, 10:23 AM

I disagree, I do like reraising preflop but I think check calling the flop and checking the turn is OK. I'd go all in now. He probably doesn't have KJ, you might fold out a set or the bigger 2 pair, and if you are beaten you have lots of outs.

wazz · #5 11-14-2007, 10:27 AM

I don't mind the flop play as long as A) you're willing to now check-shove this turn, the clubs give you extra incentive but I'd want to do it anyway, and B) button sometimes (like 20%+) makes this play with air/blockers.

Troll_Inc · #6 11-14-2007, 11:35 AM

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He probably doesn't have KJ, you might fold out a set or the bigger 2 pair, and if you are beaten you have lots of outs.

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There are 2 each of Aces, Kings, Tens unaccounted for. 3 Queens and 4 Jacks.

Seems like KJ is just as possible as anything listed?

Depending on how he likes to roll on the flop, I'd like betting out or c/r better than check calling the flop.

The problem I see with calling flop and then c/r this turn is that with JBird's image I don't see the villain giving him credit for the straight or a set. Further the only thing the villain probably still puts money in with bad with is a flush plus straight draw. I didn't do the math, but would guess that the c/r isn't +EV.

adsman · #7 11-14-2007, 02:59 PM

I can't understand why you didn't reraise preflop. You squeeze out the CO and get it HU and if he pops you again you have a pretty good idea what you're up against.

jbird · #8 11-14-2007, 03:12 PM

A lot of times I do RR this preflop, probably even most of the time. But this time I didn't. So here we are.

sc000t · #9 11-14-2007, 06:10 PM

I like raising preflop here against this player since he seems like hes been playing pretty lag preflop.

As played, I'd raise the turn bet and try to gain some FE out of the situation. Its unlikely he has a straight but if he does, we still have a decent amount of outs.

CrushinFelt · #10 11-14-2007, 06:20 PM

I'd be surprised if we had any FE here against any sort of decent hand that beats us and I don't see many worse hands calling. That being the case, a c/r is only going to get someone with air to fold. I probably just chill in c/c mode for this turn and reeval on the riv.