SB hand: calling with trip aces on river

45suited · #1 05-23-2006, 12:39 AM

Early, no meaningful reads, other than UTG limps too much.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Scary_Tiger · #2 05-23-2006, 12:51 AM

I would bet the turn and river. As played, I would check/raise the river. UTG isn't folding and BB might reward it with a coldcall.

The way you played it is better if your opponents are decent.

Grease · #3 05-23-2006, 12:59 AM

Why no turn bet?

45suited · #4 05-23-2006, 01:09 AM

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I would bet the turn and river. As played, I would check/raise the river. UTG isn't folding and BB might reward it with a coldcall.

The way you played it is better if your opponents are decent.

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I'm not so concerned about someone being on a draw, as I have TP + the gutshot.

I actually think that this is a nice line vs the typical monkeys playing 1-2, since as long as I let UTG keep the lead, he'll keep betting TP for me. On the off chance that I'm behind on the turn, this saves me a couple bets, while at the same time, I get the benefit of overcalls from BB.

I think I make more from this hand as played than by taking the lead.

gehrig · #5 05-23-2006, 01:22 AM

45suited,

counting on loose passive players to value bet marginal hands or bluff in multiway pots is not the best idea

cheers,
gehrig

45suited · #6 05-23-2006, 01:27 AM

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45suited,

counting on loose passive players to value bet marginal hands or bluff in multiway pots is not the best idea

cheers,
gehrig

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Thanks for the advice, I'm relatively new to this game. (Thousands of NL SNGs the past couple years.)

In my relatively short time though, I've found that once a player takes the lead, they hate to give it up. I don't think that I said that UTG was loose passive, he limped too much, but I didn't have a solid read because it was early.

FWIW, UTG had JJ and BB had 67.

New001 · #7 05-23-2006, 01:31 AM

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45suited,

counting on loose passive players to value bet marginal hands or bluff in multiway pots is not the best idea

cheers,
gehrig

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Thanks for the advice, I'm relatively new to this game. (Thousands of NL SNGs the past couple years.)

In my relatively short time though, I've found that once a player takes the lead, they hate to give it up. I don't think that I said that UTG was loose passive, he limped too much, but I didn't have a solid read because it was early.

FWIW, UTG had JJ and BB had 67.

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It worked out well this time, but those guys would have called the bets anyway if you led the turn and river. What'll happen a lot of the time though is the turn or river will check through, so it's best to bet there.

TheHip41 · #8 05-23-2006, 01:37 AM

one had JJ, one had 67, and they both would have called you down if you just bet. Good job betting nothing and checking with the nuts [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

45suited · #9 05-23-2006, 01:38 AM

BTW, the thing I hate about betting the turn here is that there are precisely two hands containing an ace (A2 and A3) that I am beating here.

The times that another ace is out there, I'm saving at least one bet. Reverse implied odds and all. And I have a gutshot to boot. But if I play passively, I get many non-ace hands to bet for me.

gehrig · #10 05-23-2006, 01:40 AM

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But if I play passively, I get many non-ace hands to bet for me.

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the more passively u play, the less money worse hands are going to put in on average

this should be really obvious