KK preflop 200BB is this a fold?

[Shizzle12345]

taggy guy BIGGEST POT IV EVER LOST

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1684635

[tozzy]

this is a pretty big 4bet, no?

[obiedman]

this is a huge 4bet, yes

[Shizzle12345]

jesus
i got this, I never fold KK mindset. These deepstack games are just so sick. I just moved up and doubled a few hands ago. I strongly leaned towards folding, but then i thought FK it and shoved. 4th time this month i lose a 400BB pot preflop with KK.

[Praetor]

wow @ his 4 bet size

[Shizzle12345]

And i never manage to spike K in these spots haha. I would really like to know if this is a fold since i struggly alot with thise. When you ask for 100BB, nobody ever folds, but 200BB makes it another story right? Could he ever be doing this with AK or QQ?

[tozzy]

well its about interpreting his betsize. this is totally read dependent imo.

[Unknown Soldier]

cant really blame you man, could be a fold, but w/o a decent read bad beat imo.

[Shizzle12345]

Sorry a little update, hes actually 35/8, over 111 hands. Hes decent postflop. From what iv seen he plays taggy postflop (normal betsizing, Valuebets but is a bit of a station).

earlier hand against him

I dont play with stats so i thoguht he was tag.

STAGE #814929108: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $4 - 2007-11-10 21:32:48 (ET)
Table: LEWIS LN (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - THEPLAYA13 ($760.50 in chips)
Seat 4 - NUTBOY1 ($152.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - SJAAKIIE ($513.20 in chips)
Seat 6 - SAMEMANN ($513 in chips)
Seat 1 - JJHOLDSEM ($944.40 in chips)
Seat 2 - MCHJR ($710.62 in chips)
NUTBOY1 - Posts small blind $2
SJAAKIIE - Posts big blind $4
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to SJAAKIIE [Qd Qs]
SAMEMANN - Folds
JJHOLDSEM - Folds
MCHJR - Raises $16 to $16
THEPLAYA13 - Calls $16
NUTBOY1 - Folds
SJAAKIIE - Raises $55 to $59
MCHJR - Calls $43
THEPLAYA13 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 5s 7s]
SJAAKIIE - Bets $80
MCHJR - Calls $80
*** TURN *** [2d 5s 7s] [5h]
SJAAKIIE - Checks
MCHJR - Bets $180
SJAAKIIE - Calls $180
*** RIVER *** [2d 5s 7s 5h] [3h]
SJAAKIIE - Checks
MCHJR - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SJAAKIIE - Shows [Qd Qs] (Two Pair, queens and fives)
MCHJR - Mucks
SJAAKIIE Collects $652.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($656) | Rake ($3) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
Board [2d 5s 7s 5h 3h]
Seat 1: JJHOLDSEM Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: MCHJR HI: [Mucked] [Js Jc]
Seat 3: THEPLAYA13 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: NUTBOY1 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: SJAAKIIE (big blind) won Total ($652.50) HI$652.50) with Two Pair, queens and fives [Qd Qs - P:Qs,P:Qd,B:5s,B:5h,B:7s]
Seat 6: SAMEMANN Folded on the POCKET CARDS

[GGG65]

Having just lost an $800 tonight in a KK v AA allin preflop, I came here seeking advice, and this thread was right at the top [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The big question is, is going down the allin preflop road with KK a +EV in 2-4 online games? I can't see that it wouldn't be, and I suppose in the longrun my KK v AA losses will be made up by AA v KK wins - as long as nobody else folds KK preflop.

But I'm happy to be corrected on this, as I lose a lot of money when this comes up.