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Old 11-17-2006, 03:15 AM
stsharp413 stsharp413 is offline
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Default Facing big turn bet with AA

No real reads on opponent and I just want to know if it's possible at all to get off of this hand right here. All comments appreciated. The check-raise on the turn is a bit worrisome, but also confusing. Is it a set, is it a big draw? I wish I could give you guys more info about the opponent, but this is the first hand at this table (a full ring that has broken for the moment)

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $31.90
UTG+1: $17
CO: $21.40
Button: $33.05
SB: $31.80
Hero: $25

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $6</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($16, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $23.8</font>, Hero ????
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Old 11-17-2006, 03:34 AM
Speedlimits Speedlimits is offline
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Default Re: Facing big turn bet with AA

fold you are beat here more than not.
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Old 11-17-2006, 03:35 AM
Supwithbates Supwithbates is offline
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Default Re: Facing big turn bet with AA

Hands within a rando villian's range:
8d9d
77, TT
KdJd
AdKd
AdJd
KTs
I think AJ is the least likely holding here, as I don't see him overbet pushing the nuts here.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,640 games 0.032 secs 82,500 games/sec

Board: Td 7d Kc Qc
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 76.0227 % 75.68% 00.34% { TT, 77, AdKd, AdJd, KdJd, KTs }
Hand 2: 23.9773 % 23.64% 00.34% { AA }

Hero Folds
What single pair hand is he doing this with?
I may be a nit but I don't see him playing this hand this way with many holdings you beat
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:11 AM
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Default Re: Facing big turn bet with AA

I'dd make a potbet on the flop, he may see you as weak and try make a play here.
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Old 11-17-2006, 04:20 AM
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Default Re: Facing big turn bet with AA

I think you're beat enough to fold here, even with a read here, I might still lay this down. Given no reads, it's a pukey laydown, but I'm folding here.
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Old 11-17-2006, 10:17 AM
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Default Re: Facing big turn bet with AA

Turn hes got u beat more times than not, with that flop u gotta put a lot of money in there its very drawy and a lot of turn cards can hurt u so reraise big on the flop.
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Old 11-17-2006, 11:04 AM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Default Re: Facing big turn bet with AA

I'd call the turn and expect to be ahead of his draws enough to counter the times he has a set/2pair.

Rough spot all the same.
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Old 11-17-2006, 03:46 PM
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Default Re: Facing big turn bet with AA

This is what I figured. I just wanted to see a bit of reasoning for the fold.

I was actually a bit deceptive with this post, because I actually manipulated the hand history to show my opponent's cards because I wanted a view from his seat.

In reality I held 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and the player with aces called my bet on the turn. I just wanted to see if anyone else would have been able to get away from the hand as sick as it is to fold.

I knew he'd bet on the flop which is why I checked it to him despite the drawy board, and when called my raise, I had a feeling he was on a hand he wasn't going to laydown, hence the shove on the turn.

Obviously. in reality, there's nothing he could have done to push me off of my hand. But when I figured out he had aces, I was surprised he didn't fold the turn after a CR on the flop and a huge turn bet.

I'm always curious about people's reasoning for folding aces which is a hard thing to do for a lot of players at this level. Thanks for the input.
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