AK vs 2 opponents

Kimpan · #1 10-05-2007, 05:54 AM

PartyPoker $200 NL Hold'em (4 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Stacks & Stats
BB ($258.80) (22/13/2.78/18) (1552h)
SB ($189.50) (28/9/oo/0) (32h)
BU ($74.60)
Hero ($199.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $8, 1 folds, SB raises to $20, BB calls $18, Hero calls $12.

Flop: ($60) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $35, BB raises to $238.8 (all-in), Hero..

sublime · #2 10-05-2007, 06:17 AM

looks like a potential chop. thing is, SB still could have you guys beat (not terribly likely considering BB really looks like AK, but not non existent).

you are getting 1.5-1 i think you should call.

one thing that could kill you here is BB playing AA/KK in an odd manner. if you don't have any record of that though, it seems hard to let go getting 1.5-1.

JFsports · #3 10-05-2007, 06:45 AM

I think this is a fold, at best you are chopping, and you do run into AA/KK/TT here a lot

sublime · #4 10-05-2007, 06:57 AM

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I think this is a fold, at best you are chopping, and you do run into AA/KK/TT here a lot

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why would KK/TT play like this if your BB? him having AA is possible, but it cant be given nearly as much weight as AK.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.961% 00.00% 33.97% 0 34318.00 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 30.540% 26.30% 04.25% 26570 4291.00 { TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 35.499% 01.54% 33.97% 1555 34318.83 { AKs, AKo }

so with logical ranges its a 3 way race with an overlay.

now lets say one time in 6 BB plays AA/KK/TT like this

Board: Td 5s Ks
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 16.377% 01.54% 14.84% 548 5267.83 { AcKd }
Hand 1: 23.692% 21.90% 01.81% 7773 641.33 { TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 59.933% 45.35% 14.61% 16099 5187.33 { KK+, TT, AKs, AKo }

if we weight that 5-1 we get BB with 45% equity. you with 30% and other dude with 25%. in that case its a wash....i personally don't see him playing sets like this though.

sublime · #5 10-05-2007, 05:50 PM

any more thoughts on this hand?

Mench · #6 10-05-2007, 05:55 PM

fold flop. BB has AK AA or QJss if he is awful, and SB bet sizing looks like a big hand that is not folding as well.

rberg · #7 10-05-2007, 07:58 PM

i push pf; as played fold flop, just not worth it for a split at best

Roger Mainfield · #8 10-05-2007, 08:31 PM

Fold flop, BB has AA/KK/TT here soo often. I am fine with calling pre, you will be in pos all hand.

sublime · #9 10-05-2007, 10:07 PM

i have talked with my peeps and agree this is a fold. i didnt factor in the betting enough when i assigned hand ranges.

I rebluff you · #10 10-05-2007, 10:18 PM

Just fold this one. You've only invested $12 so far, having to call a big shove to proceed. There are 2 opponents still in the hand and you are far more likely to be behind at least 1 than being ahead of both.