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Old 08-03-2007, 08:00 PM
Emperor Norton Emperor Norton is offline
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Default $16: Jacks on a king-high flop

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1480)
Hero (t1470)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1570)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t100</font>, Hero calls t100, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t80.

Flop: (t330) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t800</font>, CO folds, Hero folds.

Do you guys like this bet, or should I check behind? I figure that if I'm ahead I want to take the pot down now, and if I'm behind I want to set my own price for finding out.
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Old 08-03-2007, 10:20 PM
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Default Re: $16: Jacks on a king-high flop

against 2 players i'm checking behind
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:11 PM
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Default Re: $16: Jacks on a king-high flop

Folding pf too nitty? Easy check fold on flop though
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:12 PM
chuckpalms04 chuckpalms04 is offline
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Default Re: $16: Jacks on a king-high flop

yeah i don't think i'm gonna fold jacks on the button there
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Old 08-03-2007, 11:18 PM
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Default Re: $16: Jacks on a king-high flop

Seems like a pretty standard fold to a 4xbb + limpers raise from a regular. Against an unknown I think this gets really difficult to play as shown by the example.

calling is about equal to folding against an unknown I think, but it certainly does complicate things.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:09 AM
IFoldPktOnes IFoldPktOnes is offline
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Default Re: $16: Jacks on a king-high flop

I'd check behind on the flop to control the pot size, with the intention of seeing a cheap showdown. I think you can get some value out of worse hands if the turn/river blank.

I could see hands like AQ, flush draws, etc calling your t200 flop bet. If one opponent calls, the pot size is now t730 and 34% of the cards in the remaining deck are scare cards. Not to mention the times when another player has Kx, or even a higher pocket pair.
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Old 08-04-2007, 01:13 AM
TwistedEcho TwistedEcho is offline
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Default Re: $16: Jacks on a king-high flop

Preflop calling is fine.

Postflop i probably bet here too, i mean you are bluffing basically since v unlikely a worse hand calls, but preflop raiser is checkfolding here like 99%, so you'll pickup the pot most of the time, and its unlikely checking behind is going to bring some amazing situation which is much more profitable than betting the flop - your hand is almost never going to improve and you still won't know where you stand.

I play the same as OP, nh
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