A street by street break down with KK in moscow millions sat

[Bond18]

This was the 2nd hand at the table. Villain is unknown.

I'll start this off by saying, in a softer tournament full of stations, or back int he party days, i play this quite different. I'll break it down street by street though.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $15/$30
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $3000
UTG+1: $3000
MP1: $3000
Hero: $3000
MP3: $3000
CO: $3000
Button: $2940
SB: $2940
BB: $3120

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $130</font>, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG calls.

I think this is pretty standard.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($435, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $330</font>, MP3 calls, UTG folds.

Again, this is pretty easy.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1095, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets $300</font>, Hero calls.

K, i think the turn is the first interesting decesion in this hand. On this board i feel like his hands are comprimised of sets/mid pairs like 88/TT/JJ, AQ/KQ/QJ/JT. I think if i bet out i'll normally fold the mentioned mid pairs, the Q's will probably just call, and the sets will either call or raise. The only real draw he can have is the JT.

I also think if i check the Q's bet, as well as some of the mid pairs, so i think a check might actually gain more value, as well as perhaps prevent getting stacked by a set as i'm not sure we can fold to a turn raise.

Now, his bet size makes me think he's either very strong or very weak, I think a top pair type hand leads more like 600. So at this point i think his hand is most likely set/TT/JJ.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1695, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets $810</font>, Hero?

The river is tough, not because i think he has a Q, though he can, but because his bet is very value looking. Can we fold this river? Seems like TT/JJ often checks no?

Thoughts overall guys?

[NoahSD]

In my limited experience playing poker, tiny bets like these are almost always from hands that should be checking. So, yeah.. call.

[woodguy]

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Seems like TT/JJ often checks no?

Thoughts overall guys?

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MP 2 might expect you to bet a Q on the river so he could be value betting TT/JJ

His underbet on the turn is more disconcerting, it looks like he is either really bad or trying to get you to come over the top. Couple that with a healthy 1/2 pot bet on the river and I think you are beat, he could be bluffing, but I don't think its enough to make this call.

I usually lead the turn trying to get value out a Q or JJ/TT, especially early when bad players still have lots of chips. I understand checking it for pot control, but most often you are ahead here and are giving up too much value. Lots of one pair hands that call the flop will call a turn bet.

Regards,
Woodguy

[shaundeeb]

such a drawless board I expect a lot of 1 pair hands to pay me off, bet 750 on the flop to setup river shove.

[Bond18]

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such a drawless board I expect a lot of 1 pair hands to pay me off, bet 750 on the flop to setup river shove.

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Do you mean turn?

[mastr]

on river when Q pairs they will def go for the TT/JJ bet. Def call river.

[shaundeeb]

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such a drawless board I expect a lot of 1 pair hands to pay me off, bet 750 on the flop to setup river shove.

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Do you mean turn?

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yah sorry meant turn soo many people call with 910 QJ etc on the turn.

[JSchnett]

I like it and I fold the river.

[Hercules]

Well, a good Villain knows that overpairs usually go into c/c mode after the flop on this kind of board. So i don`t know if he`s trying to take you of an overpair.
So i can`t see him valuebetting TT/JJ because it would be pretty retarted.
Maybe he`s bluffing with them and maybe he even doesn`t know he`s bluffing.
Tbh, i think you can flip a coin, but i lean strongly towards folding. I don`t see that many hands in his range which he is turning into a bluff.
And vs the other part of his range you should be toasted anyway.

[Dr1Gonzo]

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Well, a good Villain knows that overpairs usually go into c/c mode after the flop on this kind of board.

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WTF! WHY ?
Villain didn't raise the flop so we're not in some kind of way ahead way behind moment here, surely ?!