ESPN's new show E:60 (2 thumbs down!)

[MyTurn2Raise]

really highlights why ESPN is so clueless and why sports coverage lacks any depth

I cannot believe this show is on the air
it highlights how little the ESPN reporters know about sports

sporting events forum >>>>> ESPN reporters
and I don't hold a very high opinion of this forum

you can find some videos up on the net
if you know anything about sports, it will make you vomit to hear the conversations

[TalkingDonkey]

ESPN is really just following the path "real" news set like 20 years ago

nobody cares about substance, it's all entertainment because that's what's good for the bottom line

[Franchise 60]

Brutal show. How staged were the "behind the scenes" stuff in B&W? ESPN needs to realize that people don't give a [censored] about Jeremy Schaap talking to a producer.

[MyTurn2Raise]

first 'story' I saw on the show

first of all, there are huge reporting issues right now--
64% is not a verified record of Dr. Bob
he was 57% going into 2006

he had a losing year in 2006--Vegas wasn't hemoraging money
what is the scale and numbers to show Vegas was having an awful week

explain how big a one to three point movement is...easy to use stats to show how a typical person getting one point better than the line will win at sports betting

Bob is also getting crushed in 2007...come on...his 64% is total phooey...shouldn't a journalist check on that


also, 64% is higher than a .350 career--64% over a long run would be at least a .450 hitter

how is Bob's stats/regression analysis/misc any different than what thousands of other punters do? He needs to be shown as doing something different than the scores of other 'pro' pickers

what proof is there, other than Fezzik's musings, that there are over $5M being bet on Dr. Bob's picks?--is this journalism or not
FYI-Fezzik is a successful pro gambler on sports--he has some connections around Vegas, but how would he know this number?

lack of exploring the alternative path---maybe it wasn't Bob's clients making too much money, perhaps the sportsbooks were just shading v idiot bettors like they always do--myth of balanced action

Dr.Bob has consecutive losing seasons going IIRC---where is the reporting?

I mean...2 years ago I ran 75% or something
the long haul has still only been 51% publicly posted

if you watch the 'pitch' session for Rachel's idea, she has a much better original presentation than the actual story showed

How do ESPN's reporters not know the basics regarding sports gambling and stat analysis in picking winners?

How do they not realize the basics of line setting in Vegas?
Do they not realize the stat and number crunchers that Vegas hires are damn good and how they incorporate watching the game?

How does the story not follow up on Dr. Bob's verification of his record and why he doesn't bet the games himself (he's answered that in the USA today)?

LOL @ ESPN reporters not realizing how big a role gambling plays in sports

also, while Schapp life-tilted me (some people do win at sports betting), his complaints about enocuraging gambling has some merit. However, Nichols didn't follow up enough on how it is near impossible to follow Dr. Bob anymore and win. The lines move way too fast. The only way to win is to take the opposite side after the silly followers of Bob push the line way too far.

[NajdorfDefense]

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first 'story' I saw on the show

first of all, there are huge reporting issues right now--
64% is not a verified record of Dr. Bob
he was 57% going into 2006

he had a losing year in 2006--Vegas wasn't hemoraging money
what is the scale and numbers to show Vegas was having an awful week

Bob is also getting crushed in 2007...come on...his 64% is total phooey...shouldn't a journalist check on that
Dr.Bob has consecutive losing seasons going IIRC---where is the reporting?


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If Bob continues his awful year this year, or even recovers slightly, it will be 3 losing years in last 5.

Not quite 64%.

Hell, I still haven't heard of a single person doing better than my 21-10-1 2p2 posted record in bowls last year, with the Pick of Year on the Miami Under/O. Maybe ESPN will do a segment on me??

[CarlSpackler]

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However, Nichols didn't follow up enough on how it is near impossible to follow Dr. Bob anymore and win. The lines move way too fast. The only way to win is to take the opposite side after the silly followers of Bob push the line way too far.

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Fwiw, this isn't true. While it may be impossible to get Bob's picks at a good line with online sites, I have never heard of any local books changing their lines to specifically counter Dr. Bob. Virtually all local books set their lines and send out their sheets before Bob's picks are public. It's not uncommon at all for many local books to not make any changes to their lines on Sat/Sun. Usually if there are games in question, they won't put out a # until the day of the game.

Now if a bunch of people with the same local book are consistently betting the same tout's picks heavy, and that particular tout goes on an extended heater for several weeks, then you'll see the local book move the lines against them, once he figures out which teams all the heavy action is going to be on. If moving the lines doesn't stop the bleeding, then the next move is to stop taking the players' bets, and referring them to another local book.

[NajdorfDefense]

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However, Nichols didn't follow up enough on how it is near impossible to follow Dr. Bob anymore and win. The lines move way too fast.

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Fwiw, this isn't true. While it may be impossible to get Bob's picks at a good line with online sites



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Yes, it is true.

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It's not uncommon at all for many local books to not make any changes to their lines on Sat/Sun.

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The picks are released on Thursday noon or so. They've moved the lines by then. I think you are confused.

Lines that only exist for 10 seconds after release, are not widely-available. Online of brick mortar.

They also demonstrated this live in Las Vegas. A subscriber walked from the back of the sports book once a key game was 'released' got in line behind 2 others, and they had already moved it a full point.

If a line moves faster than you can get in line, it's useless.

[pvn]

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Brutal show. How staged were the "behind the scenes" stuff in B&W? ESPN needs to realize that people don't give a [censored] about Jeremy Schaap talking to a producer.

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It seems several people in this forum cared enough to watch.

[keepitreal]

i dvr'd it only to watch the jason ray piece (unc mascot) and the piece has since played on sportscenter so i've caught it 3 times and every time i've gotten the chills and shed a tear. im a unc fan so that helps but i feel the need to at least give the show a little love. i can't comment on the rest of it, but the one piece i saw was totally worth it.

[PITTM]

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Brutal show. How staged were the "behind the scenes" stuff in B&W? ESPN needs to realize that people don't give a [censored] about Jeremy Schaap talking to a producer.

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It seems several people in this forum cared enough to watch.

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Watching a show the first time it is on has 0 correlation to it being good or not.