$12t - Standard Crappy Overpair

[J-P]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1470
UTG+1: t1575
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1965
MP3: t1560
CO: t1455
Hero: t1455
SB: t1050
BB: t1470

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t45)</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, MP3 calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t105)</font>, CO folds, Hero calls t30 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t135)</font>, SB calls t15 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t165)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t180, 6 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets t150</font>, 4 folds, Hero ???

No reads; it's like the 3rd or so hand. Call and hope for a cheapish showdown? Folding just seems sooooo weak.

[vers]

well it's HU which is pretty good. I think SB leads all sorts of pairs here w/ straight draws possibly. Lots of bad turn cards that can roll off, making our hand very difficult to play. I would be raising to 375 and I guess mucking to a shove most likely. Not sure if this is best really, playing for stacks this early w/ an overpair vs an unknown isn't good either.

[sence25]

Hmmm I'd prolly just call.
I don't like raising because I don't think someone leading into ppl will fold a whole lot here to a raise after betting a close to potsize bet, this looks incredibly strong to me.
Our hand should still have decent equity against a lot of(combo)draws here, that's why I like a call.

[shamasotoole]

He could be leading in with a [censored] 6 to see where he's at, I'll probably call and re-evaluate on the turn

[steve1127]

Nobody's objecting to the limp preflop. Is it bad to raise to 180 here?

[DannyOcean_]

sence, if villian bets turn, what turns are you comfortable with? T-A are ghey. any card 2-7 is bad for us as well. Pretty much unless the turn is a 8 or 9, its bad for us and we look extremely bad when bet into. I don't like calling and hoping he decides not to bet again.

[sence25]

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sence, if villian bets turn, what turns are you comfortable with? T-A are ghey. any card 2-7 is bad for us as well. Pretty much unless the turn is a 8 or 9, its bad for us and we look extremely bad when bet into. I don't like calling and hoping he decides not to bet again.

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T-A are not that bad imo, since he lead the flop into 5 guys.
I doubt he does this with overs.
If he has A6 and randomly hits his ace, oh well.
But basically we shouldn't be really afraid.
I hate raising like 30% of my stack with the intension of folding to a push.
Seems to be bad in a sng where chipspreserving is gold.
2/7 are bad, clubs obv too, but I still call a reasonable turnbet since he might semibluff on.

Also note, that with the turncall we prolly have not invested more than with a flop raise, but got villain to put more chips in the pot.
Because he has initiative, he might do this with weaker hands than if we took it.

It's a tough one, but raise/fold on the flop does seem to be bad $EV-wise.

[Pudge714]

It's call or fold. Raising is really terrible. I think I just fold.

[kamel]

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It's call or fold. Raising is really terrible. I think I just fold.

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In a $12 SnG?

Raising is the very correct play here, I'd expekt to see a lot of one-pair hands+draws here from SB and o.k., sometimes a set (or 2pair we have outs against).

But calling brings us in awkward situation, as what turn card other than a 9 should we like? And folding is reasonable at 60-250SnG with a weak-tight SB, but not in a $12 SnG. (And probably not in a higher stakes SnG if SB is not a weak-tightish fish). Folding is just weak. Yes, of course, you can fold, but don't cry if all you get about 5% ROI.

[Pudge714]

Hmmmm this is a lot closer than I thought I didn't realize SB was so short I probably see how he lost his chips and shove.