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Old 12-01-2007, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: Pope blames atheism for all the worlds problems.

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From a long list of theist poster comments on here, it's also what keeps them from being sociopaths.

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Anyone who needs religion to make them moral is a sociopath.

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Anyone who subjugates themselves to a society's morals rather than following their own will is a slave.
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Old 12-01-2007, 07:44 PM
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Peter,

So, did you decide to be Christian because you think you'll be happiest that way? And if you thought you'd be happier as a Hindu, would you convert?
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Old 12-01-2007, 08:40 PM
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Peter,

So, did you decide to be Christian because you think you'll be happiest that way? And if you thought you'd be happier as a Hindu, would you convert?

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Yes, if I was convinced that a Hindu could be happier than a Christian after all was said and done, I would naturally want to be a Hindu.

But I am a Christian because of the grace of faith. Without that grace, I could not be absolutely sure of an afterlife of happiness.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:32 PM
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Yes, if I was convinced that a Hindu could be happier than a Christian after all was said and done, I would naturally want to be a Hindu.

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Sure, but would you actually be a Hindu?

I live in New York City. I think I'd be happier if I believed that New York had the greatest weather in the world. For that reason, I naturally want to believe that we do have the greatest weather. But I don't believe it, because belief doesn't work that way.

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But I am a Christian because of the grace of faith. Without that grace, I could not be absolutely sure of an afterlife of happiness.

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I may be misunderstanding you. Are you saying that because of your faith you are certain of an afterlife of happiness if you remain Christian, hence the EV for you is overwhelmingly in favor being a Christian, and that's why you choose Christianity?

If so, that's fine by me, but it's kind of a wierd spiritual hedonism, don't you think?
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:10 PM
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Peter,

So, did you decide to be Christian because you think you'll be happiest that way? And if you thought you'd be happier as a Hindu, would you convert?

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Yes, if I was convinced that a Hindu could be happier than a Christian after all was said and done, I would naturally want to be a Hindu.

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You'd be a lot happier sitting around stoned out of your mind. Go for it. Or maybe based on your posts, you already are. For your sake I hope so.
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Old 12-02-2007, 03:57 AM
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Peter,

So, did you decide to be Christian because you think you'll be happiest that way? And if you thought you'd be happier as a Hindu, would you convert?

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Yes, if I was convinced that a Hindu could be happier than a Christian after all was said and done, I would naturally want to be a Hindu.

But I am a Christian because of the grace of faith. Without that grace, I could not be absolutely sure of an afterlife of happiness.

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You seem to make the words "grace" and "delusion" interchangeable!
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