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Old 01-18-2006, 12:39 PM
Ansky Ansky is offline
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Then you take down a 400 pot.

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That is meaningless.

If the bet is +EV it should be made anyway.
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Old 01-18-2006, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: Folding a boat?

But it is not + EV compared to a call.
He can come over the top of your raise all in and you lose that bet. Now, you have not only lost the 400 in the pot but you have lost the 225 you just bet.

The only way I make this bet here is if I have the best hand or I think I can bluff him off the pot. In this case, the odds that I can bluff him off the pot are slim and the odds that I have the best hand are not that good either.
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Old 01-18-2006, 02:08 PM
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He can come over the top of your raise all in and you lose that bet. Now, you have not only lost the 400 in the pot but you have lost the 225 you just bet.

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So you're saying if we bet and he raises we lose the pot, whereas if we had checked then we win the pot? Uh, no.
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Old 01-18-2006, 03:11 PM
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No.
I am saying that if we check we have a chance at winning the pot at no cost or at less of a cost than if we bet. If we check and he bets we can call or fold.

A value bet is a bet you make when you expect to win even when you get called. This is clearly not a value bet.

A bluff is a bet you make to win a pot and know you have the worst hand. This is clearly not a bluff either.

So you have to ask what you are trying to accomplish by betting this hand on the river.
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