WSEX: Official Thread: August & September. (#12 of 13.)

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Hi WSEX GM,

One unmet need of the US poker players is a place to play chinese poker. This is a game that is getting a fair amount of airtime (such a Greg Raymer challenging all players on Poker After Dark to a game after they are knocked out in a recent week) and is always mentioned as one of the games in the high stakes games. The games are played shorthanded, and so even a few players would give "full" tables.

Right now there is no site that offers this for US players, at least as far as I know. WSEX could be the gathering place for the chinese poker wannabes and lovers.

Thanks for you continuing efforts to make a fun & casual place to play poker.

[Tuff_Fish]

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Tuff - as stated before, you greatly exaggerate the supposed slowness of many multi-tablers and fail to recognize that many multi-tablers are actually the faster than many of the single-tablers.
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Sorry Bob, this is pure malarky. Hand after hand, orbit after orbit, the same two or three players take the entire clock, then fold.
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I don't believe you have ever acknowledged my point in previous rants of yours that in your own videos you were easily the slowest of all the players at both of your tables. Even on simple decisions you would sometimes come darn near timing-out.

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Anytime I was slow, I was on some kind of decision. Now the decision may have been to fold, but it wasn't with some trash routine hand. Exception: There were a few occasions where I tried to multitable. I got a little slow sometimes. But, I was NEVER constantly slow to act. And I would never begrudge somebody trying to make a decision. Some (many) of these jackasses just have too many decisions.
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So many of us find it bizarrely off that you complain so much about so many other players supposedly taking too long when it very much appears that you are a slower-than-average player.

Also worth noting that I don't think there are many players who are as bothered as you are by the occasional instance in which a player decides he wants to think or re-adjust his bet on the slide-bar or whatever.

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You say that they don't even play poker but that they somehow clean out the fish the fastest. This seems contradictory. The simply truth is that mny multi-tablers just aren't that good. And by playing as many tables as they do they are usually hurting their own win-rate per table. It happens.
Some are too tight and other are too loose. Of course, almost all THINK they are good.
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Individually, what you say is true, but a table full of them clean out the fish
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Anyway, none of this is really THAT specific to WPEX so we should probably get this back on topic.
Hopefully WSEX-GM recognizes that your opinions appear to be very much in the minority. The idea that you would probably come over there if they only allowed everyone to play one table seems strange.
and the idea that there are supposedly others like you is truly laughable imo.
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Of course my opinion is in the minority here. There is no one here but you grinders and a couple of us hard core rec players.
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FWIW - I played some on WPEX tonight. Mostly 1 table there but I also did add a tournament in there so was 2-tabling for part of the time.
They only allow 4 tables max and they don't have that many games going anyway.
So if your goal is to find a place where your opponents aren't able to play THAT many tables then WPEX is probably already a place you should be interested in.
Even without officially adopting your policy there just isn't a whole lot of multi-tabling that anyone can do there anyway. Not as much as at some other sites that seem to bother you so much at least.

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I hope the online funding climate improves soon. I definitely will give WSEX a whirl.

But the minute the games get good on WSEX, the multitablers will be along in force. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] A bunch of four tablers is plenty to ruin a good site.

Tuff

[MicroBob]

Some reasonable responses although I still disagree of course.
Really think you are way more impatient than most on the occasional delay issue and perhaps your strong multitabler hate is tainting your opinion on this somewhat.

I saw in the other thread that you were practically cheering when one of the 2+2'er players, perhaps a multi-tabler, announced that he was withdrawing his funds from the site.
It is my suspicion that cheering for players to leave is not the best way to get WSEX to agree with your stance. They probably aren't as happy that the player is cashing out as you are.

[Choparno]

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I dislike multitabling because:

It is not one multitabler I generally have to deal with, but several at each table. Each one thinks it his perfect right to play his tables in turn, taking the max allotted time to get around to looking at his hand, and then generally folding. By the time I get to play, I have grown noticibly older. This goes on every orbit.

Even the turbo tables don't help. They just time out, sit back in and time out again.

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Personally, I have never noticed this. Therefore, I don't believe it is happening on a lot of tables. If it is happening to you on one table, e.g. if someone is 12-tabling or something and consistently timing out, just switch tables. Otherwise, add more tables yourself so it is less frustrating for you. The other solution is turbo tables - even though you say it doesn't help, even someone who is consistently timing out on a turbo table is not taking up much time compared to a normal table. This is a really insignificant issue IMO and I'm surprised you feel so strongly about it.


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Multitablers are the nittiest of the nits. They don't play poker, they card mine, waiting around, slowly folding, until they get a hand on one of their 8 tables. Then everybody else gets to wait while they play out that hand. One multitabler is not hard to beat. But a table full of them is a total pain (Except to other 8 tabling nits. Which is why most players left online fit this profile. And I hear whining as to why the tables are tougher now... astounding)

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This is false IMO. Multitablers are more likely on average to be nits than your average 1-tabling donk who has no idea what he's doing, but it is certainly wrong to say they are all super nits, unless you consider a standard 20/18 TAG to be nitty.



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And the multitablers clean out the fish in record time. Should a rec player wander into an online site... whoosh, and he is gone, NEVER to return. I personally know a lot of folks like this. Online poker being rigged is absolute gospel to these folks.

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This is false as well. Good players will take bad players' money faster than mediocre players. Multitablers are more likely on average to be "good", although this is probably debatable. Therefore you are more likely to see a multitabler take a bad player's money than someone on one table.


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Mr GM is on the right track. If his poker room is meant to be a loss leader and something for the sports bettors to use, then he should toss out all multitablers.

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On WPX you can only play a maximum of 4 tables at a time. Therefore, it is impossible for there to be any 8-tabling nits. In my experience, it is rare for there to ever be even 4 tables of the stakes/game type you want to play on WPX anyway, so you shouldn't find multitabling an issue there.

Again, I'm really surprised you find multitabling a significant issue.

[TwoCathedrals]

anyone else notice that there's been more traffic/better games lately? even have seen some new names...i don't wanna jinx but hopefully this is a sign of an increase in traffic to come

[larm]

6 players from .05/.10-3/6 fixed limit is not very many players. Just withdrew my last money....

[MicroBob]

would think there would be some tables going during the Aces Never Lose promotion.

Not a single limit table running between 1/2 and 3/6 even in the early afternoon is not good.

[sparky3474]

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Fred, I am just a fun player trying to learn and when I started playing nickle dime limit 6 months ago I bought PokerTracker to help me with my game. I only play here (and rakeback is GREAT) and would get histories and review my play all the time. It did not matter that players did not have names, I only cared about my stats. Now that you revised the system I can not get hand histories if I play the red table and there are so few games I've almost stopped playing. In most games if the first guys sits at a red table, that's all that's played all day. So for me, so far, the change has had the opposite effect than was desired. On the 31st there were green games and I loved it and got in 90 minutes of play but not since then. Why not let us grab histories with and without names, it can't be a loss on WPEXs part? I am not threatening to change sites or anything else but a part of the game has now disappeared for me.

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Well it seems like players want to be able to use PT, if you go to an empty table and sit, players start to jump in waiting for enough players to make them happy, at least some of the time.

[BuddyQ]

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Fred, I am just a fun player trying to learn and when I started playing nickle dime limit 6 months ago I bought PokerTracker to help me with my game. I only play here (and rakeback is GREAT) and would get histories and review my play all the time. It did not matter that players did not have names, I only cared about my stats. Now that you revised the system I can not get hand histories if I play the red table and there are so few games I've almost stopped playing. In most games if the first guys sits at a red table, that's all that's played all day. So for me, so far, the change has had the opposite effect than was desired. On the 31st there were green games and I loved it and got in 90 minutes of play but not since then. Why not let us grab histories with and without names, it can't be a loss on WPEXs part? I am not threatening to change sites or anything else but a part of the game has now disappeared for me.

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Well it seems like players want to be able to use PT, if you go to an empty GREEN table and sit, players start to jump in waiting for enough players to make them happy, at least some of the time.

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Yes, I've noticed this too. I wont play at a red table because I want a record of MY play, at the very least.

[DitMeMay]

the option to hide no-hh and hh tables