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Old 11-21-2007, 06:08 PM
Profish2285 Profish2285 is offline
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Default Pair and oesd

No reads or stats on villain.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($73.75)
UTG ($50)
MP ($36.20)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($109.65)</font>
Button ($82.55)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($44)</font>

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($4) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $13</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero....
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:15 PM
whyzze whyzze is offline
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Default Re: Pair and oesd

alot of villians range has you in pretty bad shape. Some more than others. A significant amount of your equity comes from 1 pair hands:

best case scenario, he has 99+. I think 99/TT/maybe JJ are very possible. Also top pair hands, like A8, Q8 so on, you have good FE and equity.

Bad 1 pair hands. 77/88. If villian has either of these, you are in horrible shape. He has killed alot of your outs and is well ahead.

He could have air sometimes.

The rest are made hands, these obviously have you pretty bad. Made straights and sets have u good.

So basically. Your equity kind of sucks. You only have good equity against hands that you have good FE against as well.


Also, we cant call very profitably because if we make a 2pair/straight, no implied odds.

blablabla, decifer my ramblings as you please, but i think a fold is best.
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:27 PM
FalconTi0 FalconTi0 is offline
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Default Re: Pair and oesd

i dont think you have good fold equity against his range. getting 2-1 i think i call. against his range i think if you make your hand you can stack him. JMO
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:48 PM
willyc willyc is offline
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Default Re: Pair and oesd

Unless villain's been getting out of line a lot I would fold this pretty fast.
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: Pair and oesd

Stealraise is ok, but if you get such a clear message - just fold. And you cant really call - look at his stack. You dont get implied odds.
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