Adults dupe teen into MySpace-assisted suicide

[Bork]

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mbillie1,

Maybe they shouldn't be punished in a criminal sense, but they would almost assuredly lose a civil suit for being liable for the kid's death. Do you understand the difference?

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Nah, there is no way they would 'almost assuredly' win. She tried to kill herself before this. It's not clear that this event was the main cause of her suicide even if it was the last straw. They would also have to establish that it was forseeable to offending parents that she would kill herself. The defense lawyer would probably also drag out all the nasty things from her own family's history which could have contributed to her depression and decision to off herself. You can't just assign the bulk of the blame to this other family because they are horrible worthless human beings. Suicides are complicated.

[kyleb]

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mbillie1,

Maybe they shouldn't be punished in a criminal sense, but they would almost assuredly lose a civil suit for being liable for the kid's death. Do you understand the difference?

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Nah, there is no way they would 'almost assuredly' win. She tried to kill herself before this. It's not clear that this event was the main cause of her suicide even if it was the last straw. They would also have to establish that it was forseeable to offending parents that she would kill herself. The defense lawyer would probably also drag out all the nasty things from her own family's history which could have contributed to her depression and decision to off herself. You can't just assign blame to this other family because they are horrible worthless human beings. Suicides are complicated.

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By "win" I mean it would be very likely the suit would be settled in favor of the parents of the child.

[mbillie1]

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By "win" I mean it would be very likely the suit would be settled in favor of the parents of the child.

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I obviously agree here... most of the time the parents of the dead girl make out with money if this goes to a civil trial or whatever.

That said, I still disagree that a monetary award by a judge/jury/whatever is fair or just or right or whatever in this case, for the reasons in my above response to you.

[kyleb]

There is a very clear and logical line of arguments that connect event A to event B in this case. Your argument is irrelevant; just because suicides are always complicated doesn't mean that there isn't an at-large reason why someone decided to kill themselves.

You're hanging on to an argument that you know sucks for the sake of arguing over the Internet and saving face. Stop.

[mbillie1]

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There is a very clear and logical line of arguments that connect event A to event B in this case. Your argument is irrelevant; just because suicides are always complicated doesn't mean that there isn't an at-large reason why someone decided to kill themselves.

You're hanging on to an argument that you know sucks for the sake of arguing over the Internet and saving face. Stop.

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I dunno if this post was directed at me or not, but if it is...

There are countless incidents of internet abuse / mockery / etc of this kind, many directed at children who are depressed, and most of them do not result in suicide. So it is not inconsistent to imagine this happening and this girl not killing herself, so you can't claim that they were responsible for her death in the way they would be if they shot her, or poisened her food or something. Your argument is the illogical one here...

[kyleb]

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There is a very clear and logical line of arguments that connect event A to event B in this case. Your argument is irrelevant; just because suicides are always complicated doesn't mean that there isn't an at-large reason why someone decided to kill themselves.

You're hanging on to an argument that you know sucks for the sake of arguing over the Internet and saving face. Stop.

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I dunno if this post was directed at me or not, but if it is...

There are countless incidents of internet abuse / mockery / etc of this kind, many directed at children who are depressed, and most of them do not result in suicide. So it is not inconsistent to imagine this happening and this girl not killing herself, so you can't claim that they were responsible for her death in the way they would be if they shot her, or poisened her food or something. Your argument is the illogical one here...

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You're [censored] up again. I bolded the part that you keep coming to and you are quite obviously wrong on.

It is not an issue of responsibility. It is an issue of liability.

[Bork]

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There is a very clear and logical line of arguments that connect event A to event B in this case. Your argument is irrelevant; just because suicides are always complicated doesn't mean that there isn't an at-large reason why someone decided to kill themselves.

You're hanging on to an argument that you know sucks for the sake of arguing over the Internet and saving face. Stop.

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It was directed at me. Its a strawmen account of my argument. I am not arguing that there isn't a main reason, just that it isn't clear given what we know of this case. Also it's even harder to prove. The fact the family did not file suit suggests that they know they did a lot of nasty stuff to their own daughter and feel guilty about it. That at least could be the case. Also you are not the boss of the internet and have no idea why I am making an argument which 'I know sucks'. I know the argument you attributed to me sucks, but that's not mine. I am not trying to save face, I say stupid [censored] on these forums all the time, I don't care about my forum rep, and it's close to anonymous anyway.

[entertainme]

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The fact the family did not file suit suggests that they know they did a lot of nasty stuff to their own daughter and feel guilty about it.

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This is complete B.S. and conjecture with no facts to back it up. From the article it appears her parents were trying to take every reasonable precaution with their daughter's welfare.

[entertainme]

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She tried to kill herself before this.

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No. Her mother said she "talked" about suicide in third grade and had been in counseling since.

It was the other parent who said she tried it before to limit her own guilty conscience.

[pirateboy]

Legally, as has been said, it seems like a very very slippery slope.

Karmically (heh), I'm fine with those parents dying.