200NL Bodog Flopped Flush vs. Donk

[NL__Fool]

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Landlord79...I appreciate your comments, but I'm not sure I follow them. If I shoved the flop, then I would never have to face the turn decision. If a player this donkish is willing to call a PSB, then he'll likely call a shove. So my question to the super experienced players out there boils down to whether he'll fold to the shove yet call a PSB often enough to make making a PSB better, even given the potential turn heart.

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Shoving the flop so you don't have to make a hard decision isn't a good reason to shove. If you think he's enough of a donk to call a huge overbet shove on the flop with a worse hand, then go ahead and shove.

However, I think the pot-sized raise is much better against most players because you'll get calls from more worse hands (TP, TP+FD, FD, etc). This is much better than worrying about the 15% of the time the turn is another flush card. If you don't believe me, do the math yourself to verify.

[sobos]

Thanks, superpokermon...I like your analysis. My concern with just calling the flop is that if the villain has a hand like top pair (which he'll surely stack off with on the flop), then he may shutdown if a heart falls on the turn, whereas he'd get it allin the flop a good % of the time. Also, I don't want UTG chasing for cheap. Also, a superdonk may see an overbet on the flop as a drawing bluff and call me with as little as QQ. I typically think that getting in the sooner the better vs donks is best, but I definitely see that playing slow on this flop has its advantages.

[BadBigBabar]

shoving is wrong simply because only better hands call you and you fold out worse hands that pay you off on later streets -- seems pretty straightforward of a concept to me.

[sobos]

I disagree with this...you are assuming people are playing correctly. This donk would almost definitely call a shove with top pair.