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Old 10-06-2007, 02:45 AM
F That F That is offline
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Default Two hands that got me thinking semi deep in a mtt

The site i was playing on i cant figure out how to post the hand history so ill do the best i can explaining it. The first hand i think i made the correct play but the second hand i think i made because i was getting pissed at the villan. I just got moved to a new table with no reads... i have a 27k stack with 300/600 blinds. This tournament was a rebuy btw. There is 75 people left and top 50 cash.
I am second off the button and recieve AK off... utg smooth calls and it folds to me and i bump it up to 2700, it folds to the bb who goes all in with a 40k stack covering me, utg folds and, I decide its not worth it and fold. I was thinking he had AK QQ, JJ, but i really didnt think he would over bet that with KK or AA. I realized i had a big enough stack that i didnt need to risk it to a toss up and also being possibly behind.

a few hands later i pick up AcKs again 3 postions off the button... again there is a utg limper and i bump it up to 3000... the sb (same guy who re popped me all in)calls with around a 55k stack and i started the hand with a 23k stack. bb and utg folds and flop comes J72 all spades. So i have the K high flush draw. SB checks and so do i (think that it was a mistake checking) turn comes a 6 non spade and he bets the pot which is around 8k i believe... from a few hands ago i was still mad about that overbet all in and i really thought i could get him off the hand and i also had the second nut flush draw to back me up. I pushed all in 12k more and he thought for a while and finally called with AJ, i bricked the river and was out of the tourney. The funny thing is i should have thought about the hand more and folded realizing i still had 30 bbs lol but i was also playing to win. I thought he might have held a weak jack or a complete bluff and i could get him off the hand.

Any opinions on how i should have played these hands? Also sorry again if it is tough to read i just cant figure out how to post the HHs from cake poker.

Thanks...F
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Old 10-06-2007, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: Two hands that got me thinking semi deep in a mtt

1st hand i think is fine. If you're that deep, i think folding AK is fine, prob prudent as well. The only thing that u might add to your thought process in situations like this is calculating the amt of dead money in the pot as a percentage of your stack. There will be a lot of hands where it will be EV+ to be flipping AI, if there is an overlay.

Hand 2. U made a pretty big mistake by not betting the flop. Your hand has a lot of equity against SB's calling range. If u bet here, you're hoping to get c/r'd, so u can 3-bet AI. SB misplayed this hand preflop and on the flop as well, so it's unfortunate that he got rewarded (although his turn call was good IMO.)
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Old 10-06-2007, 04:06 AM
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Default Re: Two hands that got me thinking semi deep in a mtt

I would call the first hand - if you go with your read here it's borderline, but we see a shove from the BB with hands much worse than JJ,QQ,AK. So I think calling here is +EV anytime.

On the second hand, like erc saide, betting this flop with these stack sizes was a mistake. there is already 7k in the pot and you have 20k left - so I'd shove here.
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Old 10-06-2007, 07:06 AM
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Default Re: Two hands that got me thinking semi deep in a mtt

First hand is fine but 2nd hand is horrible imo. What do you expect him to fold when you make him call 12k in to a 24k pot? N2m he's already showing strength by potting the turn. You should've fired flop and got the money in, but as played the turn is an easy fold.
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Old 10-06-2007, 10:59 AM
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Default Re: Two hands that got me thinking semi deep in a mtt

My instinct is to shove the 1st one pretty damn quickly. But I can't fold AK. You need ~46.82% equity to break even (actually a little less than that b/c I assume there are antes that I haven't figured in).

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.785% 23.66% 16.13% 131241660 89482674.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 60.215% 44.09% 16.13% 244579488 89482674.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


That's about the tightest range he could have, but adjusting it a little bit doesn't gain you much equity. If you adjust his down a little to include like 99+,AQs+,AKo+ and you have AKs, then I think you have to call.

Anyhow, you didn't think he would play KK+ that way, so now what happens when we take those out of his range?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.429% 29.23% 19.20% 42048264 27609036.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 51.571% 32.38% 19.20% 46567200 27609036.00 { QQ-JJ, AKs, AKo }


Now we have a very clear call. If you trust your read that he wouldn't do that with KK+, then you should have insta-called this shove. If you think he is just as likely to have KK+ there, then it is actually correct to fold AK.


As for the the second hand, I really don't mind your play at all. You have a lot of options that are all pretty reasonable and you chose one.

Sherman
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Old 10-06-2007, 11:58 AM
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Default Re: Two hands that got me thinking semi deep in a mtt

thanks for the help guys
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