AA vs QQ, running it twice

[2hot2trot]

AA vs. QQ what's better: running it twice or not?

i would come out ahead 85% running it twice vs. 81% running it once. cause of the chop factor. choping means not loosing. so i loose less chop more. what ever post i don't lose i chop. so i still get half my money back on pots i would have lost to a suck out. being 8% suck out. i get 4% back. so 81% becomes 85% or 85 pots of 100 instead of 81. still ahead by 4 pots.

Right?

[btmagnetw]

running it twice is exactly the same EV, search for other threads on this issue.

[Iwineverypot]

Leveled?

[Andynan]

just run it 6 times and be done with it

[PantsOnFire]

What do you mean by "better". Basically, from an EV standpoint, it doesn't matter.

You could theoretically run it one billtion times. Then AA would end up with 81% of the pot and QQ would get 19% of the pot.

I was in a home game where this happened. Two guys ended up all-in pf with AA vs KK and the pot was around $4000. They didn't run any cards and agreed to chop it 80/20.

So in general, running it once is gambling, running it twice is less gambling, running it one billion times is splitting up according to percentages and is zero gambling.

[eastern motors]

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What do you mean by "better". Basically, from an EV standpoint, it doesn't matter.

You could theoretically run it one billtion times. Then AA would end up with 81% of the pot and QQ would get 19% of the pot.

I was in a home game where this happened. Two guys ended up all-in pf with AA vs KK and the pot was around $4000. They didn't run any cards and agreed to chop it 80/20.

So in general, running it once is gambling, running it twice is less gambling, running it one billion times is splitting up according to percentages and is zero gambling.

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I have to disagree with this. If you run it 5 or more times the aces have be a bigger favorite because there are only 2 queens left in the deck. Sure the queens could hit a straight or flush but that is very unlikely.

I'm not sure how to do the math but I think they guy with the aces should ask for best of 5. Any non-idiot will say no but asking doesn't hurt.

[binions]

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I have to disagree with this. If you run it 5 or more times the aces have be a bigger favorite because there are only 2 queens left in the deck. Sure the queens could hit a straight or flush but that is very unlikely.

I'm not sure how to do the math but I think they guy with the aces should ask for best of 5. Any non-idiot will say no but asking doesn't hurt.

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No. You can run it however many times you want to run it, but the EV always stays the same.

Now, a two outer can never win the whole pot running it 5 times. But a 2 outer has 4% equity and will average winning 4% of the pot if you deal 1 river for the whole pot 100 times, or if you deal 5 rivers for 20% of the pot each 100 times.

[donkeykong2]

optimally you run it 20 times because AA has 2 outs to improve and qq can draw to 2 flushes and has 2 outs to improve too. also you need to consider that your equity is highest if you run it 20 times because qq cant win more than 4 times and usually only wins 2 times because it has 4 outs to improve - the to outs aa has=2 times so it wins about 10 percent of the time with 20 runs. i made the calculations and this is the optimal running rate.

[jesse8888]

This has been discussed dozens of times. No matter how many times you run it the EV for both sides is the same.