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#2441
11-14-2007, 01:10 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
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[ QUOTE ] Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'd fold preflop, but otherwise everything is fine. [/ QUOTE ] I'd raise to $1.50 preflop, but otherwise ... 
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#2442
11-14-2007, 01:15 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
Seriously, completing here with QJo is spewing. Obv tables play differently, but raising to 5BB+ limpers works often enough at 25NL. Normally you get one caller c40% of the time, and he folds to your donk pot sized c-bet bet more than 50% of the time = very very +$EV.
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#2445
11-14-2007, 03:10 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
I was not suggesting a 100% line; but if you have 2 or 3 limpers at 25NL and a marginal hand in the SB, the decision should not be to complete, but to raise or fold. IMHO if you are going to play, you must raise, and IME, 5BB + limpers gets a fold from the limpers most of the time.
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#2446
11-14-2007, 03:19 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
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Gross generalisations and estimates*: -you essentially only get paid off if you hit two pair or a straight**. -You make that something in the order of 1 in 30 or so times. -you're putting 15c in to see the flop -when you make your straight or two pair,, you need to win 30 * 15 = $4.50 on average -i doubt if you can do that on average, but i'll defer to you if you think you can *you can fiddle around with these numbers. they are probably excessively conservative in favour of folding **i assume that the profit that you make when you hit top pair or trips is somewhat balanced by the times someone beats you with a bigger kicker or other stronger hand. obviously it isn't quite, but being oop helps compensate too. [/ QUOTE ] I would NEVER not complete in the small blind with limpers with QJ or any other reasonable hand. I do like raising and betting the flop with QJo better though.
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#2447
11-14-2007, 04:19 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
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I would NEVER not complete in the small blind with limpers with QJ or any other reasonable hand. I do like raising and betting the flop with QJo better though. [/ QUOTE ] Agree with the first part but disagree with the second at low stakes. Obviously table/opponent dependent as well, but at 25 and 50nl your raise will usually be called in two places and often in 3 or 4, pretty bad situation IMO.
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#2448
11-14-2007, 04:26 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
Ignoring that you can pick up the pot by betting out with basically any piece of the board, you're still off on the numbers.
[ QUOTE ] -you're putting 15c in to see the flop -when you make your straight or two pair,, you need to win 30 * 15 = $4.50 on average [/ QUOTE ] He's putting in .15 while getting 7.33:1. So he needs to win $3.40 on average. A much easier to hit number.
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#2449
11-14-2007, 05:45 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
why not complete w/ QJ type hands at a table full of bad players?
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#2450
11-14-2007, 05:51 AM
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Re: $25NL 2 pr
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why not complete w/ QJ type hands at a table full of bad players? [/ QUOTE ] 'cause if the skill differential between you and the other players is big enough for QJo to be profitable, you're not playing 25nl.
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