Post hands where your cbet is raised and you play back?

[Marwan]

A good tell with some weaker players are what they do when they actually have top pair.. seems simple enough but helps a ton. For instance, at least in HU play, a lot of players have a tendency to just call with top pair in 3-bet pots, that's sort of what they do. So when they all of a sudden make a small raise they really have all or nothing and it's usually nothing.

Villain in this hand insta-raised, I've been c-betting 3-bet pots most of the time.. We had a big hand prior where he just called with KQ on a 710K two club flop so I was pretty sure that on this board he had nothing.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $233
SB: $312.50

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
<font color="red">SB raises to $6</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20</font>, SB calls $14

Flop: ($40) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $85</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $213 and is All-In</font>, SB folds

Results: $210 Pot ($0.50 Rake)
Hero mucked T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and WON $209.50 (+$104.50 NET)

Of course with better players it gets harder, but for the most part if you have a general feel of someone's tendencies, your play is at least justified in some way instead of just looking at PT AF stats and randomly deciding to make a stand. Also of course I'd like to be in situations where when I do get called, I have a little equity.

[stinkpaw]

Wow, you 6-max guys are sick. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[jfish]

i have tons of examples, but you should be focusing more on your overall gameplan than individual hands. it doesnt really matter if you made a cool 3bet bluff and it worked one time. at 5/10+ people raise cbets all the time so dealing with them is just a fact of life.

[stinkpaw]

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i have tons of examples, but you should be focusing more on your overall gameplan than individual hands. it doesnt really matter if you made a cool 3bet bluff and it worked one time. at 5/10+ people raise cbets all the time so dealing with them is just a fact of life.

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Jfish, I know alot of this is situation dep., but can you give some general guidelines or at least the thought process you use when your c-bet gets raised in order to determine how to proceed?

[jfish]

well i personally have a style that involves lots of flop 3bets so i tend to have a pretty wide value range as well as an appropriately wide bluff range.

if you dont value 3bet much, then you obv cant bluff much. people really really really underestimate balance in this game.

[SEABEAST]

yeah it's not like there is a quota you need to fill of this stuff. you shouldn't be looking to force it. like jfish said when you are playing against good aggressive players being able to hold your own is just something you need to learn how to do, but it needs to come naturally, and is just based on hand reading like anything else. if it's really obvious that a guy is likely to be bluffing you most of the time in a spot, respond accordingly. if it's not really obvious, you can fold and move on. if you find it hard to tell how likely villain is to be bluffing then you need to work on your handreading.

[Triumph36]

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well i personally have a style that involves lots of flop 3bets so i tend to have a pretty wide value range as well as an appropriately wide bluff range.

if you dont value 3bet much, then you obv cant bluff much. people really really really underestimate balance in this game.

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i disagree, people really overestimate it in a lot of spots