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09-07-2006, 07:26 PM
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Re: Clear up
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Ignoring ethics it seems highly unlikely that breeding for intelligence wouldn't result in cleverer people. [/ QUOTE ] The goal isn't "lets have smarter people", its the belief that removing the less intelligent will lead to a better outcome for the human race overall. 
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09-07-2006, 07:39 PM
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Re: Clear up
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[ QUOTE ] Ignoring ethics it seems highly unlikely that breeding for intelligence wouldn't result in cleverer people. [/ QUOTE ] The goal isn't "lets have smarter people", its the belief that removing the less intelligent will lead to a better outcome for the human race overall. [/ QUOTE ] If we selected for the more intelligent and didn't let the relatively stupid reproduce then we would get a higher average intelligence. That seems obvious. No idea what it means to talk of a better outcome for the human race. Sounds horrible to me but I don't know what the criteria are. The inherited disease type arguments are kind of irrelevent in terms of this thought experiment. Even without eugenics we will (or could) get to the stage of being able to avoid all of them. chez
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09-07-2006, 07:43 PM
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Re: Clear up
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The inherited disease type arguments are kind of irrelevent in terms of this thought experiment. Even without eugenics we will (or could) get to the stage of being able to avoid all of them. [/ QUOTE ] How so?
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#4
09-07-2006, 07:48 PM
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Re: Clear up
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[ QUOTE ] The inherited disease type arguments are kind of irrelevent in terms of this thought experiment. Even without eugenics we will (or could) get to the stage of being able to avoid all of them. [/ QUOTE ] How so? [/ QUOTE ] We will (or could) get to the stage of understanding genetics well enough so that we filter out, or correct for, any inherited disease. chez
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#5
09-07-2006, 07:54 PM
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Re: Clear up
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The inherited disease type arguments are kind of irrelevent in terms of this thought experiment. Even without eugenics we will (or could) get to the stage of being able to avoid all of them. [/ QUOTE ] How so? [/ QUOTE ] We will (or could) get to the stage of understanding genetics well enough so that we filter out, or correct for, any inherited disease. chez [/ QUOTE ] But their point is that these diseases are closely tied to the increased intelligence because of the effect on the brain. Even so, we're a looooong way from knowing genetics that well.
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09-07-2006, 08:01 PM
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Re: Clear up
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The inherited disease type arguments are kind of irrelevent in terms of this thought experiment. Even without eugenics we will (or could) get to the stage of being able to avoid all of them. [/ QUOTE ] How so? [/ QUOTE ] We will (or could) get to the stage of understanding genetics well enough so that we filter out, or correct for, any inherited disease. chez [/ QUOTE ] But their point is that these diseases are closely tied to the increased intelligence because of the effect on the brain. Even so, we're a looooong way from knowing genetics that well. [/ QUOTE ] Evem if there's some fundemental limiting factor on intelligents in a human brain we could move the average up towards it and maybe even advance beyond it. Seems very unlikely we are anywhere near a fundemental limit, hman brains probably stopped improving when the evlutionary pressure stopped. I'm taking the looooooong view. maybe eugenics would make it less loooong. chez
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09-07-2006, 10:02 PM
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Re: Clear up
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The inherited disease type arguments are kind of irrelevent in terms of this thought experiment. Even without eugenics we will (or could) get to the stage of being able to avoid all of them. [/ QUOTE ] How so? [/ QUOTE ] We will (or could) get to the stage of understanding genetics well enough so that we filter out, or correct for, any inherited disease. chez [/ QUOTE ] But their point is that these diseases are closely tied to the increased intelligence because of the effect on the brain. Even so, we're a looooong way from knowing genetics that well. [/ QUOTE ] Its sort of shocking what we don't know about human developmental biology. I mean, to be sure I am receiving a watered-down version of it in school, but the number of times our embryology professors use the phrase 'this is not known' or 'the mechanism is unclear' FAR outnumbers the times it is clearly elucidated. And my profs are smart guys!
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#8
09-07-2006, 10:05 PM
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Re: Clear up
Also, I wonder how many people on this thread who bandy about the 'bottom 50%' consider themselves in said group? Or their family members/loved ones? I know we are ignoring moral/ethical/political issue for now, but I just think its interesting to consider. My guess is no one on here would even consider being a member of the bottom half. Perhaps thats accurate, seems like a lot of intelligent people...but perhaps it isnt.
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#9
09-08-2006, 02:21 AM
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Bang up
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The inherited disease type arguments are kind of irrelevent in terms of this thought experiment. Even without eugenics we will (or could) get to the stage of being able to avoid all of them. [/ QUOTE ] How so? [/ QUOTE ] We will (or could) get to the stage of understanding genetics well enough so that we filter out, or correct for, any inherited disease. chez [/ QUOTE ] But their point is that these diseases are closely tied to the increased intelligence because of the effect on the brain. Even so, we're a looooong way from knowing genetics that well. [/ QUOTE ]But let's f*ck around in the lab anyway. That's what proponents of eugenics bring along. Mickey Brausch
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#10
09-08-2006, 11:05 AM
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Re: Bang up
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But let's f*ck around in the lab anyway. That's what proponents of eugenics bring along. [/ QUOTE ] "F*cking around" in the lab is one of the ways to learn more about genetics. At any rate, selection will work like this. The only question is whether there are "side effects" and if so, what. Not such a huge concern IMO. And nobody is talking about labs anyhow. The way you're talking, we'd drive smart people into a little white room, never to see the light of day, and come in twice a week to make them screw at gunpoint, then give their babies IQ tests and kill the ones that fail. I don't think anyone (who's not a nazi) would design the experiment like that.
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