Indiana sucks--- harrah's/caesars

[steamboatin]

I haven't played at Belterra since Argosy opened. Argosy has a nice room and the games are good. The guys running it are from the Goldstrike in Tunica, Roger and Terry.

[Rootabager]

I agree they are [censored] at Caesars, but that is weird they would not let you switch games. I have done this several times.

We switched our 1/2 omaha game to HOE during the last circuit event.

There is usually a few full games during the week. At night it's more crowded than you would expect.

1/2 nl killed off the 10/20 I hear. But it still goes on the weekends always.

[DCWildcat]

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only no limit games they run are 1/2 NL $300 max and 2/5 $1k max.

They have all these damn limit games running all the time so the wait is 1-2 hours every time.

Poker is new to the region and old people are slow learners because of the small amounts of hands live play allows, i mean i seen as many hands in a months as some guys do in a year live.

Anyway to offer a different game structure? wait is 1-2 hours every time



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This post is wrong on so many levels I am not even going to try. They will spread any game that will fill a table. If you want something different, start a list.

The $2-5 NL was previously uncapped and died. They recently capped the buyin at $1,000 and the game is beginning to make a come back.

If you think the poker at Caesar's IN sucks, you need to get out more and see what the rest of the country has available.

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I disagree, Caesar's IN sucks pretty bad, but only recently.

My main problems

1) Every game is being whored to max out the rake. Huge time charges + rake at NL, full kill or strange structures at NL games. Obviously this is immediately disadvantageous to a good player (more rake obviously = bad), but the weird structures they keep on inserting often lead to...

2) Games necessitating strategic changes that are unclear to skilled players. For example, Caesar's dropped 2/4 in favor of 2/4-4/8 ($2 increments PF, $4 on flop & turn, $8 on river). While it's clear that this requires loose PF play, tighter flop play, looser turn play, etc., specific plays and strategies are unclear.

3) 1/2NL is almost unbeatable. $6 time charge every half hour + rake is absurd.

4) Wait times do suck. Yes, calling ahead is nice...when you don't get bumped off the list b/c of random sporadic I-64 or I-71 traffic, which happens all the time. Showing up in person, 1 hour waits are not uncommon at the lower limits.

5) Comps suck. If the occasional casino-provided free meal makes a significant difference in your bank account, you're [censored] here. Caesar's offers the worst comps of any casino in the US.

In general, though, the brushes are more competent than you'll generally find in So. Indy (esp. Argosy), the dealers are much more competent than you'll find (Argosy, Belterra), and the game selection is unbeatable. I've seen some casinos in the US, and I can't blame Caesars for the changes they've made (they really suck the money out of everyone, fish and good player alike), but they're very suboptimal, particularly of late.

[CincyLady]

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only no limit games they run are 1/2 NL $300 max and 2/5 $1k max.

They have all these damn limit games running all the time so the wait is 1-2 hours every time.

Poker is new to the region and old people are slow learners because of the small amounts of hands live play allows, i mean i seen as many hands in a months as some guys do in a year live.

Anyway to offer a different game structure? wait is 1-2 hours every time

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IMO, you should stop your whining, and realize just how lucky you really are (you sound like some spoiled Cali and Las Vegas people I know of, who have 'all you can eat buffet' when it comes to being able to play poker a few steps from their doorstep, who whine about the littlest of things, and don't realize the good fortune they have living where they do and having as much access to live action poker as they do. They fail to realize (as it appears you do) that the rest of us are NOT that lucky).

I lived in Cincy for almost 15 years, and moved to Denver about a year and a half ago, just so I could get a job in the Telecom Sector (there are no such jobs back in Cincy or in that area that I know of). I used to drive up to Ceasars Indiana (a 2 hr drive each way), all the time.

BTW, poker isn't new to Ceasars Indiana either. When I first started playing poker 4 years ago, they were there and had been for some time. Plus, they were the ONLY casino in the Region to have a Poker room, period until about 2 yrs ago, when the Belterra opened up their room.

Before I left, they had upgraded the room from a tiny section at the bottom of the boat with a mere 10 tables, to half the floor, with dozens of tables.

I'd KILL to to be ABLE to wait 2 hrs for a NL game, but colorado, the max bet allowed here is 5 bucks, so I'm stuck in the land of no fold 'em hold 'em here, no NLHE here AT all for sure!

You don't realize just how lucky you really are. Ceasars indiana is one of the Best poker rooms in the Midwest if not the country.

You have access to tourneys all the time, including every saturday, a $225 buyin into a WSOP ME event that pays out 3 seats to the ME. Man, I'd kill to be able to have the access you have, to those qualifier satallites.

Nearest place I can go play NL is the Horseshoe in CB Iowa, an 8hrs drive from Denver, and you can forget about them (the Horseshoe) having weekly qualifier satallites into the WSOP ME on a regular basis, let alone on the weekends.

I don't mean to be mean to you here, but I just had to vent.

If I could find a job in Telecom there, that payed well enough, I'd be back there in a heartbeat to be sure, because being in Colorado, sucks big time when it comes to poker!

[steamboatin]

My main problems

1) Every game is being whored to max out the rake. Huge time charges + rake at NL, full kill or strange structures at NL games. Obviously this is immediately disadvantageous to a good player (more rake obviously = bad), but the weird structures they keep on inserting often lead to...
It is good business to charge the maximum the market will bear.

2) Games necessitating strategic changes that are unclear to skilled players. For example, Caesar's dropped 2/4 in favor of 2/4-4/8 ($2 increments PF, $4 on flop & turn, $8 on river). While it's clear that this requires loose PF play, tighter flop play, looser turn play, etc., specific plays and strategies are unclear. this paragraph doesn't make any sense. I think skilled players understand how to play but that game isn't designed for skilled players, it is for loose ass donkeys that like to play every hand.

3) 1/2NL is almost unbeatable. $6 time charge every half hour + rake is absurd.
I think this is player dependant.

4) Wait times do suck. Yes, calling ahead is nice...when you don't get bumped off the list b/c of random sporadic I-64 or I-71 traffic, which happens all the time. Showing up in person, 1 hour waits are not uncommon at the lower limits.
I haven't waited more than an hour in a really long time other than when the WSOP Circuit events are in town, of course.

5) Comps suck. If the occasional casino-provided free meal makes a significant difference in your bank account, you're [censored] here. Caesar's offers the worst comps of any casino in the US.
Ameristar in St Charles MO used to be 50 cents an hour. I don't know the current comp rate.

[Dr. Detroit]

3) 1/2NL is almost unbeatable. $6 time charge every half hour + rake is absurd.



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Is this correct, do they charge a seat fee and take a rake? Or is it a BBJ $1. Also, if so does it apply to the bigger NL games?

Also, what is the max buy in and can you reload at any time?

[Diana Ross Fan]

You know Cincy, I just read these to remind myself how much better things are in Connecticut. 5$ per 30 min on 1/2 no rake nor bbjp.

And Different games on the weekend then the week? My head would fall off.

Still, I doubt Ceaser's IN is worse than Greektown.

[CincyLady]

DRF, yeah, it all depends on where you live, and what access you have to live poker on how your view of that room (and it's rules) is colored.

Gawd I so suck now at 2/5 NL (because I'm out of practice) that I don't dare play it (at that level) anymore when I'm out of town.

Last time I tried to play at that level (after moving to Colorado, land of 5 buck limie no fold 'em hold 'em low limit poker), I had not been able to play for close to a year, and I lost 300 bucks in less than an hour over in CB Iowa.

Lucky for me, I spent almost a month in Vegas during the WSOP, and brushed up on my skills again by playing 1/2 NL poker.

Maybe next trip back home to either CB Iowa (I grew up in Omaha, and my Mom and brother still live there), or to Ceasars Indiana (my son and his wife still live in the Cincy/Dayton area), I will be able to get back on the horse so to speak, and give 2/5 NL another try again.

FWIW, I love Ceasars Indiana, and I placed 13th in the WSOP Circuit Event (event number 1) back in March of this year, out of a field of 713.

They are sooo lucky there, to have a Harrahs property closeby, I'm green with envy about it.

Right now, I find it amazing I'm getting so excited about the Heartland Poker Tour who is coming to our deseart Island of no Fold 'em Hold Poker here in Colorado, aka Blackhawk, in October.

Even then, it's not a real event in the truest sense of it, because the only way into the money, the only way to play in the HPT ME, is to get in via a qualifier satallite, due to Colorado's wacky gaming laws (max buying can only be $500 bucks for a tourney).

The OP should count his blessings, and so should others who have casinos where you can play REAL poker (aka real tournament events and for cash games, NLHE poker, or even high stakes limit poker) within a reasonable driving distance from their homes.

Yeah it sucks if the rakes are higher, or you have to wait a little longer, because of lack of competition in the area, but at least those players have that chance to play REAL poker, instead of the crap we here in Denver have to play that tries to PASS for poker.

BTW, FWIW, I know from past experience that Ceasars Indiana will provide you a pager that will work at the very least, anywhere on the boat (it might even work off the boat, out in the shopping/Dining areas too, but I never tried it that far myself).

All you need to do is give them your Drivers licence to hold, and boom, they give you a pager. When your seat is ready, they page you, and I think you have like 10 min to show up to claim your seat.

Then you can go off and get something to eat at the snack bar, play a little BJ or Craps, or what ever else trips your fancy.

[CincyLady]

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I haven't played at Belterra since Argosy opened. Argosy has a nice room and the games are good. The guys running it are from the Goldstrike in Tunica, Roger and Terry.

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Yeah, the last time I was in Cincy when my house finally sold after a year of being on the market, my son and his wife took me down there to the Argosy.

My son tends to play like a maniac, so neither myself nor his wife wanted to be seated at the same table as he was. So, he sat down at one table, and I at another.

Of course I got seated next to the drunk guy (lucky for me, he was on my right), but managed to take all the guys chips, after being patient and waiting for hands to take his bankroll from him.

My son's wife sat down at the same table as me after the drunk guy reloaded (she's just learning poker, so she tends to be a bit of a calling station, and the drunk guy failed to realize that (even though she kept telling them she was new to poker) and tried to bluff her all the time), and managed to take his reload. A few times as we played, the drunk guy made some nasty comments about women in poker pointed at both me and my son's wife, and at one time, my son's wife had to say something to my son, to keep my son from leaving his table, coming over to ours, and going postal on the guy.

Overall, I liked the Argosy, and wished the poker room had been in place when I lived there (it opened up about 3 to 6 months I think, after I moved to Denver, after over a year of promises of getting a poker room (because it's customers were going in droves over to Belterra to play both poker and the slots)).

[Grasshopp3r]

I invited you to some games, Cincy, but I did not hear from you. There are some social clubs that spread $0.50/$1 NLHE. These are safe games, without any rake.