|
|
|
|
#1
11-28-2007, 05:21 PM
|
|||
|
|||
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] wtf? why do you want to turn a reasonable society into one that you claimed to represent that of the enemy? [/ QUOTE ] Cruelty is the only solution to this problem..... Diplomacy alone will NEVER work.... Have you not seen excerpts of the text books books that the Arabs use to 'educate' their children? The anti-semitism they inject into the minds of their children would make it clear why these children will grow up hating Israel for the rest of their lives. They even use a "Mickey Mouse" character as a teaching tool to spread hatred in the minds of the palestinian children. An entire 2+2 topic could be made just on the palestinian 'education' system. The Nazis had their Hitler Youth to teach hatred towards the untermensch. The palestinians have taken these tactics and 'improved' upon them. The palestinian children of today will be the palestinian monsters of tomorrow... [/ QUOTE ] yes i've seen all of this. jewish children are subject to a lot of this non sense too. if israel gave back the territories jewish terrorist could become a problem, for example, because many are as fanatically indoctrinated. most of jewish fanatics do their bidding through the military though while the other side does this through less formal organizations. if they lost military support i think youd see some serious jewish resistance groups. the point is the education like this increases the more both sides feed each others hatred. Israel should have the moral ground by having the moral ground, not by destroying it. How can israel claim to be the good guy when they dont practice wat they preach. Why does israel hold entire lebanon responsible for the crimes a few, isnt this what terrorists do? why does israel hold land and do nothing with it but deprive and enrage the lives of millions? why have they continued land expansion in undeserved territory rather than maintaining the deserved territory? from what i can see from your analysis is not to send arabs into the distance but rather to start exterminating all of them. 
|
|
#2
11-28-2007, 05:28 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
Why does israel hold entire lebanon responsible for the crimes a few, isnt this what terrorists do? [/ QUOTE ] Your son is in your house shooting at mine. You won't do anything because you say you fear he'll shoot you. So I come through your door and you object to my travelling over your property to get to your son. Then when I do so anyway you object to my shooting your son and think I should use other means. So to me you are responsible to some degree. And it doesn't matter if you do have a legitimate fear your son will shoot you if you intervene, because he's *your* son. It's your house and you should keep it in order if you don't like the means others use. Note this all started because *your* son was shooting into *my* property.
|
|
#3
11-28-2007, 05:36 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Why does israel hold entire lebanon responsible for the crimes a few, isnt this what terrorists do? [/ QUOTE ] Your son is in your house shooting at mine. You won't do anything because you say you fear he'll shoot you. So I come through your door and you object to my travelling over your property to get to your son. Then when I do so anyway you object to my shooting your son and think I should use other means. So to me you are responsible to some degree. And it doesn't matter if you do have a legitimate fear your son will shoot you if you intervene, because he's *your* son. It's your house and you should keep it in order if you don't like the means others use. Note this all started because *your* son was shooting into *my* property. [/ QUOTE ] your analogy isnt close. Israel never attempted to go after those soley responsible. They only gave people the chance to object to going after them entirely. They had no purpose in going to the extent they did and punishing endless non-responsible individuals. this is as stupid as placing sanctions on iran and holding the entire iranian nation responsible for the crimes of a few.
|
|
#4
11-28-2007, 05:46 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
this is as stupid as placing sanctions on iran and holding the entire iranian nation responsible for the crimes of a few. [/ QUOTE ] But with Iran we aren't talking about the actions of a few isolated citizens even, but those of the *government*. And it's *their* government so if the Iranians don't want the consequences that come from the actions of *their* government then they should do something about. And the fact that they would put their lives in jeopardy to do so isn't *our* problem.
|
|
#5
11-28-2007, 05:56 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] this is as stupid as placing sanctions on iran and holding the entire iranian nation responsible for the crimes of a few. [/ QUOTE ] But with Iran we aren't talking about the actions of a few isolated citizens even, but those of the *government*. And it's *their* government so if the Iranians don't want the consequences that come from the actions of *their* government then they should do something about. And the fact that they would put their lives in jeopardy to do so isn't *our* problem. [/ QUOTE ] lets think a little deeper than these simple labels. this our world so we must be responsible for the crimes of our world and should implode ourselves as punishment? iran has a very young and pro western population. the government and their supporters are more limited by the day and the other side will do something about if we stop getting in the way and helping the government gain support by not recognizing our allies and making false and generalized groupings and sentences. iran would never have adopted the mullahs and allowed them to maintain their power if we weren't messing around.
|
|
#6
11-28-2007, 06:01 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
iran has a very young and pro western population. the government and their supporters are more limited by the day and the other side will do something about if we stop getting in the way and helping the government gain support by not recognizing our allies and making false and generalized groupings and sentences. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah if we just stop defending ourselves and demanding Iran doesn't perpetrate or fund terrorist actions or attacks on other nations, then those mythical "moderate pro-western" types will bring about a change in their government. Sorry but I'm not accepting your offer to buy the mid-east version of the Brooklyn Bridge.
|
|
#7
11-28-2007, 06:17 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
if we just stop defending ourselves and demanding Iran doesn't perpetrate or fund terrorist actions or attacks on other nations, then those mythical "moderate pro-western" types will bring about a change in their government. [/ QUOTE ] They were making progress toward this until Iran joined the Axis of Evil with their moderate democratically elected president.
|
|
#8
11-28-2007, 05:49 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why does israel hold entire lebanon responsible for the crimes a few, isnt this what terrorists do? [/ QUOTE ] Your son is in your house shooting at mine. You won't do anything because you say you fear he'll shoot you. So I come through your door and you object to my travelling over your property to get to your son. Then when I do so anyway you object to my shooting your son and think I should use other means. So to me you are responsible to some degree. And it doesn't matter if you do have a legitimate fear your son will shoot you if you intervene, because he's *your* son. It's your house and you should keep it in order if you don't like the means others use. Note this all started because *your* son was shooting into *my* property. [/ QUOTE ] your analogy isnt close. Israel never attempted to go after those soley responsible. They only gave people the chance to object to going after them entirely. They had no purpose in going to the extent they did and punishing endless non-responsible individuals. [/ QUOTE ] Lebanon has a choice. They can either put *their* house in order, or Israel will do so. If they can't or won't *for whatever reason*, then they shouldn't bitch about the means that Israel uses. And you are acting as if Israel can surgically strike at Hamas which is a large organization and one that purposely locates its resources in centers of population to deter attack. You are blaming the victim and it's disgusting.
|
|
#9
11-28-2007, 08:08 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
Lebanon has a choice. They can either put *their* house in order, or Israel will do so. [/ QUOTE ] would it be ok for cambodia to poison our water supply because we won't extradite kissinger?
|
|
#10
11-28-2007, 08:19 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Lebanon has a choice. They can either put *their* house in order, or Israel will do so. [/ QUOTE ] would it be ok for cambodia to poison our water supply because we won't extradite kissinger? [/ QUOTE ] Not the issue. The issue is recent (ongoing in the short term if not taking place at this very moment) attacks. Do you really get gullible people to fall for that kind of misdirection IRL?
|
 |
|
|
Hybrid Mode
