First time in 2007? 1/2NL

[tubasteve]

you can't know that just from his preflop stats unless hes like a 20/2 over like 5k hands, then maybe you could fold

[Unknown Soldier]

a mistake is a mistake. So what if it isn't a huge one, it's still a mistake

[tubasteve]

its too close for us to even be able to tell if it is a mistake, so we err on the side of not folding when we only lose to 1 hand. thats how i see it

[tubasteve]

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.374% 53.60% 04.77% 57821754 5149089.00 { KK+, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, AcKc }
Hand 1: 41.626% 36.85% 04.77% 39755220 5149089.00 { KK }

[jordiepop]

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you can't know that just from his preflop stats unless hes like a 20/2 over like 5k hands, then maybe you could fold

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exactly if someone posted their stats even after 1000 hands, everyone would bash them with " now thats some sample you have there" you cant go around folding kk based on 200 hands.

[duh]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.374% 53.60% 04.77% 57821754 5149089.00 { KK+, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, AcKc }
Hand 1: 41.626% 36.85% 04.77% 39755220 5149089.00 { KK }

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For the second villan, that range is wayyyyy to wide.
This type of player would never ever 4bet AK, let alone felt it. Same goes for QQ to a lesser degree.

[Unknown Soldier]

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its too close for us to even be able to tell if it is a mistake, so we err on the side of not folding when we only lose to 1 hand. thats how i see it

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yeah im not folding here (although it's pretty damn marginal), i wasn't really talking about the hand, just what you guys were discussing.

[tubasteve]

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its too close for us to even be able to tell if it is a mistake, so we err on the side of not folding when we only lose to 1 hand. thats how i see it

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yeah im not folding here (although it's pretty damn marginal), i wasn't really talking about the hand, just what you guys were discussing.

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i think part of being a good player is focusing your learning efforts where they are most needed. i dunno about you but i dont have unlimited time to spend learning the game, so you have to be able to identify what is truly a leak vs what is just a [censored] situation that comes up every 25k hands.

[tubasteve]

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.374% 53.60% 04.77% 57821754 5149089.00 { KK+, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, AcKc }
Hand 1: 41.626% 36.85% 04.77% 39755220 5149089.00 { KK }

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For the second villan, that range is wayyyyy to wide.
This type of player would never ever 4bet AK, let alone felt it. Same goes for QQ to a lesser degree.

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you understand that i gave him just one of the 16 possible combos of either AKs or AKo, and only 3 of the 6 QQ possibilities, right? his PFR is 7, thats a range equal to something like this:

88+,ATs+,KJs+,AQo+

or probably something similar but weighted maybe more towards small pairs than stuff like KJs.


if his 3-bet % is as little as 2% thats this range:

QQ+,AKs,AKo


so you cant tell me my original range is too wide for a 20/7.

[Unknown Soldier]

i don't think that attitude will take you too far in poker, but if the player is happy just playing the lower levels for ever then yeah i guess