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Old 07-24-2006, 11:05 PM
herbertdotcom herbertdotcom is offline
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Default 400nl, set vs turn push

I have been clashing with this villian on several tables, where I have been playing at about 18/14 this session. He had made some moves in small pots on the flop, but hadn't done anything absolutely crazy. Do you call this turn shove?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Hero ($624.99)
UTG ($373)
Button ($71.50)
SB ($568.16)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $10</font>, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($24) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $54</font>, SB calls $39.

Turn: ($132) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $96</font>, SB calls $502.16 (All-In), Hero??

At the time, I thought his most likely holding was a straight. I did not think that he would have taken this line with JJ or 77, but I thought that QQ and QJ were also possible. Agree/disagree?
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

fold. This bet screams I have the nuts now give me your stack.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

Fold.
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

call, you have a set
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

looks like JT
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:37 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

the nuts here is K10??? you think he has the nuts ---- K10?
granted he was double gutted on the flop with K10 but hes not calling that raise on the flop..... he may have top 2...... even Q10, but i call here.... set is way ahead of anyhting but a straight, and putting him on a straight here is generally not the right way to go
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

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looks like JT

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

What?

Looks like you're killed, dude. If this guy's more donkish, sure. But he's betting like he not only doesn't care what you have, but he wants you to think he's got garbage.

I don't see a guy like this with AA doing this ever.

Or JT.

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Old 07-25-2006, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

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looks like JT

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

What?

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you have JT. you're heads up with a guy that just called your PF raise. you think he's making a move on you by raising the flop. that turn card is perfect to check-raise all in with. i may be ahead with what was top pair on the flop, and if not i have as many as 13 outs to improve.

the line looks right for QT as well.

in an aggro short-handed game, i'd suspect JT or QT more often than a made straight.
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Old 07-25-2006, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

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the nuts here is K10??? you think he has the nuts ---- K10?
granted he was double gutted on the flop with K10 but hes not calling that raise on the flop..... he may have top 2...... even Q10, but i call here.... set is way ahead of anyhting but a straight, and putting him on a straight here is generally not the right way to go

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He will and he should call that flop all day with KT.
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Old 07-25-2006, 01:43 PM
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Default Re: 400nl, set vs turn push

If this is the first time I've seen this move I think a few seconds and fold. Since you've got him on several tables if he's going to get out of line it won't take long for you to pick up on this. Then you can pick a spot to knock him off.
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