3/6 what's my line on this nasty river...?

[Veron]

Villain is unfortunately unknown. He just sat down and this is like the 3rd hand he plays...

3/6, 5 handed
Hero is BB w/A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop: 2 fold, BTN open limps, SB completes, <font color="red">Hero Raises </font>, both call

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero Bets </font>, BTN calls, SB folds

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero Bets, BTN Raises, Hero 3Bets </font>, BTN calls

River: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10BB, 2 players)
Hero...

C/F? C/C? B/C? B/F?
What line is best here, and why is it better than the other options?

[jba]

wow this sucks. i'd probably check/call if he's bluffy, bet/fold otherwise. the thing is he probably wont raise a queen.

[Buckmulligan]

i dont like the turn three bet. i call down from the raise unless the 4 or 5 pair.

[pokerjunky]

I think bet fold is the best line although I realize at that point the pot will be pretty big. Check calling really doesn't have any value given the turn action and the river card. I also call down from the turn since this is QT the majority of the time.

[Veron]

I'm not sure about my turn line either. The fact that he open-limped on the button lowers the change of him holding AQ or KQ since he would have likely raised those hands. On the other hand we can't really give a BTN open-limper credit for playing a hand in a solid way.

But reviewing the hand I think B/C Turn C/C river would have been a better line, but I'm prolly oriented by the results (just like other posted that suggested b/c on the turn? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])

Anyway, I Bet the river and folded to a raise...

[Oink]

If you c/c the river after the turn 3-bet any thinking villain will know you have scared A's or K's looking for a free showdown a LOT. With that in mind I dont think there is a lot of value in c/c against good players.

Bet/folding rivers in big pots against unknowns on scarecards suck IMO.

I cant c/f either so I guess that leaves b/c which I would hate as well.

What to do when all options suck..? b/c and shut down the tables if he has Qx.

[jba]

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If you c/c the river after the turn 3-bet any thinking villain will know you have scared A's or K's looking for a free showdown a LOT. With that in mind I dont think there is a lot of value in c/c against good players.

Bet/folding rivers in big pots against unknowns on scarecards suck IMO.

I cant c/f either so I guess that leaves b/c which I would hate as well.

What to do when all options suck..? b/c and shut down the tables if he has Qx.

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bet/call sucks too man. they all suck.

edit: honestly I think bet/call is the worst.

[Oink]

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bet/call sucks too man. they all suck.

edit: honestly I think bet/call is the worst.

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I agree that bet/call sucks. But I really think b/f is worse when we have no read on villain. Making bad calls costs a lot less than making bad folds. Maybe that is an argument for check/calling...?

[danzasmack]

River card like that sucks in this spot. Villain is unknown. Check/call. You lose value from a ten, save a bet vs. a queen, and sometimes make a bet from KJ (he IS unknown)

In SSSH, not every play is going to feel clean and smooth. Sometimes you have to cringe.

Basically you can't make the "right" play here withtout a good read.

[jba]

" Making bad calls costs a lot less than making bad folds. "

what? no they don't? depends on how "bad" it is.