2 commerce hands

[riverboatking]

1.)
20/40NL i have ~11K villian covers.
villian is solid thinking player who will mix it up on occassion, has respect for my play.
i have a fairly tight image at this point haven't been caught getting out of line and haven't been terribly active however villian knows what i'm capable of.
earlier in session i made a pretty big laydown to him so not sure how that effects the hand.

im in BB with 98ss, UTG makes it 200 (he's on tilt big time so this could be any two) one or two callers and villian calls on button i call in BB.

flop KK9.
checked around.

turn 10 bringing a flush draw.
everyone checks to button who bets $200 (he often makes these underbets with nothing).
i make it $600.
he quickly raises another $800.

i tank and make it $1400 more.


hand 2.)

this is much later in the night after a sushi dinner and a few drinks.
i'm back and playing 10/20NL with neon.
i def. have a good image as a bit earlier me and nate went all-in blind so villian knows i'm willing to gamboool, however i have been super card dead for a while so haven't really played any hands in a bit.

i don't remember exact details but i have ~3K and villian covers, villian is decent, seems to have some concept of how to play but is pretty straightfoward and doesn't seem all that good.

so i limp in EP with 89cc, donkey makes it $70 a couple of callers i think 4 of us see the flop, villian is SB i believe.

flop 8h 6h 3d

villian donks out $120 i make it $420 everyone folds he insta-calls.

turn 5h, villian quickly donks out $300 i make it $800, insta-called.

river Jh so final board: 8h 6h 3d 5h Jh

villian checks i shove like $1100.

?

[multious]

hate hand 1, like hand 2

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

you must be from LA these hands are f'ed up.

hand 1 looks suicidal and in hand 2 you got saved by the river, maybe?

-Jason

[snagglepuss]

methinks neon had you devouring bottles of sake with him.

which is to say i agree with strassa, and that i am incredibly jealous.

[jlocdog]

Hand 1 is for value and hand 2 is a bluff? Definetly a different perspective.

Just wondering your read on guy in hand 2 when he consistantly underbets the pot with his lead ins. $120 into $280 and $300 into $1120. Especially the turn bet seems to reek of block. Maybe 99/TT. River was good to you.

[Parlay Slow]

Hand 1 looks good to me

[Jay Riall]

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1 is for value and hand 2 is a bluff? Definetly a different perspective.

Just wondering your read on guy in hand 2 when he consistantly underbets the pot with his lead ins. $120 into $280 and $300 into $1120. Especially the turn bet seems to reek of block. Maybe 99/TT. River was good to you.

[/ QUOTE ]

both are bluffs

[Boosted J]

rbk post a picture of you? I was just at the commerce playing 20/40 to 100/200, may have played with you and I'd be curious to see who you were

[Requin]

Hand 1 seems crazy, hand 2 I don't mind the turn raise IF you're going to fire a BLANK river. Hate shoving here though. Also raising flop seems risky vs. a straightforward player leading into that big a field. Unless live straightforward = passive with draws.

[EmpireMaker2]

Hand 1 seems like QJ but u can maybe make him fold this