Indiana sucks--- harrah's/caesars

[steamboatin]

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Can you read? If you seriously think there's no strategic difference between a normal 2/4 game and a 2/4-4/8 game, then your grasp of poker fundamentals is way too low for you to even comment on any of this.

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LOL, you must be brain damged or high. You don't even remember what you posted. Scroll up buddy, you said these type of games have never been written about and skilled players don't know how to adjust. I said, "Buy a book" because no foldem holdem games have been written about.

I have not made a single comment leading anyone , with a clear mind, to believe there are no differences in strategy required for these games. I wonder what kind of weird neural pathways induced this rant? I think you might be wacked.

[JimmyAllen]

Please allow me to respond to this slander. If you want to make accusations about a property, you should probably gather as much information as possible. This will help you avoid looking foolish in the end.

My main problems

1) Every game is being whored to max out the rake. Huge time charges + rake at NL, full kill or strange structures at NL games. Obviously this is immediately disadvantageous to a good player (more rake obviously = bad), but the weird structures they keep on inserting often lead to...

A $6 time rake has been our Time rake since we began running these NL games. We ask the regular $1-$2 NL players if they would like to be included in the BBJ, and their answer was a resounding YES! While I agree that $6 is somewhat high, the average rake on the game if we took our normal 10% would be much higher. Do the math!

2) Games necessitating strategic changes that are unclear to skilled players. For example, Caesar's dropped 2/4 in favor of 2/4-4/8 ($2 increments PF, $4 on flop & turn, $8 on river). While it's clear that this requires loose PF play, tighter flop play, looser turn play, etc., specific plays and strategies are unclear.

For a person that knows so much about Win %, you sure haven't figured out that no matter how hard you try, you are never going to outplay the lower limit players. These guys are at the Casino with $100 in their pockets and they couldn't care less about Pot Odds, or Pre-Flop Strategies. If you are basing your 2-4-4-8 play around a book, Good Luck!

3) 1/2NL is almost unbeatable. $6 time charge every half hour + rake is absurd.

Once again, you post is wrong. We only charge EITHER, a timed rake or take a rake from each pot. Not both as you suggested.

4) Wait times do suck. Yes, calling ahead is nice...when you don't get bumped off the list b/c of random sporadic I-64 or I-71 traffic, which happens all the time. Showing up in person, 1 hour waits are not uncommon at the lower limits.

When the traffic situation with I-64 arose we altered our Phone In time to 40 minutes, instead of 20. If you have waited over an hour for a game, then I apologize. That is rare. That being said, if you started a list of interest for a game that was not already running, and we couldn't get enough players to start a table, then it is a definite possibility. That could not be classified as the Casino's fault, could it?

5) Comps suck. If the occasional casino-provided free meal makes a significant difference in your bank account, you're [censored] here. Caesar's offers the worst comps of any casino in the US.

"The worst Comps of any Casino in the US." We offer $.75/hour towards comps. These comps can be used at any food venue, and we are in the process of allowing our players to use these comps at Retail Shops and for Hotel stays. I am sure that your online site that you play at offers much better comps than us, but we are competitive with all Rooms in our region, and more generous than many established Casino's around the country.


Finally, we thank you for the compliment about the Staff. It sounds to me like you had a bad experience at our Casino and are trying to make everyone else feel the same way about us that you do. I would love to sit down and discuss this theory with you. Please come and find me if you wander our way again. Thanks and have a great day!

[Richard Tanner]

Man, lots 'o hate to be had here. I've been all over IN, MI, and IL to various casinos and while Ceasers isn't my favorite (French Lick is my choice) I certainly wouldn't say it's the "worst in the midwest/country/whatever".

Sometimes waits are long, this happens anywhere. If there's a ton of people, you get a list. I've waited 5 min and up to a hour or so at Ceasers, just depends on timing and how many people thought just like you did.

Timed rake sucks, I'll make no apologies there. Every place with timed rake should change, but that's just my take. I've always explained it thusly: If you buddy said here's $60, oh can I have 4-5 of that back, you'd probably be ok giving it to him, but if every half hour he just asked for $6, you'd probably get pissed.

As for the games, they're great anywhere. If you can't beat either timed 1/2 or raked 1/2, you can't beat NL. No shame in it, practice and come back and beat the game, we've all been there.

In conclusion, stop bashing my state. Indiana is fine, and the Colts are great [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Cody

[mrjetguy]

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only no limit games they run are 1/2 NL $300 max and 2/5 $1k max.

They have all these damn limit games running all the time so the wait is 1-2 hours every time.

Poker is new to the region and old people are slow learners because of the small amounts of hands live play allows, i mean i seen as many hands in a months as some guys do in a year live.

Anyway to offer a different game structure? wait is 1-2 hours every time

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What are you bitching about? This post seems really lame.

[CincyLady]

Hi Jimmy! Fancy meeting you here! I just sent you a PM, and I want to say here, well done, and well said!

Some people just don't know how lucky they are to be able to play at Ceasars Indiana, that room rocks, and I sure wish I was back there again, so I could play there.

Your the ONLY Harrahs property I know of BTW, in the entire USA, that has for the last TWO years (maybe 3?), had a WEEKLY qualifying satallite tournament into the Vegas WSOP ME, OPEN to EVERYONE (IE: You don't have to play x amount of hours to be able to play in it) who has the entry fee, and on a SATURDAY no less, and (if I'm remembering correctly) for only $225 each, awarding up to 3 10k seats.

Kudo's to you guys for that too! No other property in the Harrahs chain that I know of that has a poker room has done something like that (especially on a weekly basis as well), to help people who normally couldn't afford to buy directly into the WSOP ME, get there via a qualfier at thier 'home' casino (and on a weekly basis, and Saturday to boot, when most people are off of work and can actually play in it without having to take off of work to do so).

Because of this, I feel a lot of pepole, including a lot more of the women in the area, have been able to play in the ME, who otherwise might not of been able to.

I might also take this time to point out to the OP, that if Ceasars Indiana wasn't doing something right, then there wouldn't BE a wait to get into a game, because people would be driving to Belterra, Argosy, or down to Tunica to play.

The very fact that they've grown the poker room from when I first stepped into it several years ago, from a small corner in the room crammed with 10 tables, to what it is today (half the floor it's on), speaks volumes to the dedication that the staff there has for the poker players who play there.

It's not easy getting TPTB at a casino to give up floor space where slot machines used to sit, to put in poker tables with dealers that need to be paid a salary. However, the poker room staff fought hard for that very thing, and now there are enough tables that when they have a tourney, there can be over 700 players or more participating. Heck, I remember when the events they (Cesars Indiana) used to have, would max out at 50 people, a full week before the event happened, simply because they didn't have enough tables to support more than that (because they had to keep half the tables open for cash games, as per the Casino Powers that be)!

I watched as the poker room staff at Ceasars Indiana fought hard for us players, to make the room bigger and better for all the players, to bring in big tournaments, and give us comps at least for the snack bar (I remember when you guys had to fight hard for even that, and when you guys had a seperate accounting system from the Casino players card), and now, you get credit on your Harrah's card for your play (something that wasn't so a few years back).

Kudos to Jimmy and his team for all the hard work they have done and are doing for making Ceasars Indiana a better place to play at, day by day, month by month, year by year.

I only wish I was still there, so I could enjoy it on a regular basis, instead of being trapped (as this was the only place I could find employment in the telecom sector) in the land of no flold 'em hold 'em Colorado.

[steamboatin]

There you go, the poker room manager just invited you to stop by and talk. How many times has that happened in recent history? Jimmy really cares about the players and is doing his best to make Caesar's IN the best it can be.

You guys have to remember, it is a Harrah's property and he is limited in what he can do.

[Rootabager]

This whole thread is retarded. Hour long waits are so rare. I have been playing there frequently for 3 years and have never waited longer than like 15 minutes, but I am willing to play first game that opens then switch when the game I want is called.

They dont do time + rake. Just 6$/30 minutes.

2-4-4-8 is easy to beat if you are not brain dead.

1-2 is beatable if you are not brain dead.

The comps do suck. I would not even bitch about 75 cents an hour if it didnt use to be one dollar an hour. Lowering it is terrible. Plus I had like 70 dollars on my comp balance and when they switched systems they told me too bad it gets erased.

[badhandoop]

I play pretty extensively at Caesar's IN. I'd say I put more hours in there than almost anyone on this forum.

1-2 NL there is definitely beatable. There are many players especially on weekend who will give you all their chips with top pair or overpair regardless of action in the hand.

A good player can expect to win at least a full stack per 5 hours with proper game selection.

Yes, the rake is sickeningly high, but think about it this way: If you play 25 hours a week, you will be paying $300 in rake plus about $30 in BBJ. And at 25 hours, you should be making about $1500 - $330 rake/BBJ + tips = $1100 roughly.

You should still turn a nice profit, about 20bb/hr worth. This might seem huge, but I cannot emphasize just how bad these players are. You can play a very nit style and still get paid off with for a whole stack.

[coolhandkuhn]

Steamboatin, please quit posting. Thank you.

[brian4cards]

i play the 1/2 game at caesars almost every day and it is definitely beatable. i do wish they would exclude the game from the bad beat jackpot though.