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Old 11-18-2007, 06:40 PM
sakrei sakrei is offline
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Default NL50 QQ rough spot

Villian is 12/5/1 over 50 hands
Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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CO: $138.35
BTN: $51.10
SB: $30.25
BB: $31.90
UTG: $17.55
Hero (UTG+1): $67.20
UTG+2: $52.60
MP1: $51.45
MP2: $49.25

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $2, 5 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises to $9</font>, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($22.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP1 bets $20</font>, Hero ???
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Old 11-18-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: NL50 QQ rough spot

Sucks, but probably fold
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Old 11-18-2007, 06:50 PM
pokerscaresme pokerscaresme is offline
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Default Re: NL50 QQ rough spot

he's reprenting a set..
and his lack of agg should be your determining factor.

I'd either reraise/fold flop.
Calling gives him another card if he's semibluffing.
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: NL50 QQ rough spot

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I'd either reraise/fold flop.
Calling gives him another card if he's semibluffing.

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He's like never semi-bluffing here if his stats are accurate. The only semi-bluffing hand he can have is A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and that has us beat. Three-betting this flop is criminal. Call is correct.

Not every situation is reraise or fold. It's okay to call sometimes.

OP, fold turn.
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:42 PM
pokerscaresme pokerscaresme is offline
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Default Re: NL50 QQ rough spot

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I'd either reraise/fold flop.
Calling gives him another card if he's semibluffing.

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He's like never semi-bluffing here if his stats are accurate. The only semi-bluffing hand he can have is A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and that has us beat. Three-betting this flop is criminal. Call is correct.

Not every situation is reraise or fold. It's okay to call sometimes.

OP, fold turn.

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I'd just fold to the flop CR considering his stats..
didn't say it outright, but the first half of my post indicated that.
I don't see much chance of us winning a showdown here.

Can you explain more on why calling is correct?
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:52 PM
AllTheCheese AllTheCheese is offline
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Default Re: NL50 QQ rough spot

I, as you do, believe there's a good shot our nitty Villain has a set here. However, we're getting better than 2:1 on our money and it's still very possible for Villain to have 66-88, TT-JJ "seeing where he's at" and then shutting down on turn. Of course, there's nothing to stop him from turning 66 into a bluff on the turn, but generally, nits don't want to get all the money in without the nuts, and, what's more, he doesn't have enough experience with Hero to know that he lays down overpairs.
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: NL50 QQ rough spot

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he's reprenting a set..
and his lack of agg should be your determining factor.

I'd either reraise/fold flop.
Calling gives him another card if he's semibluffing.

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we dont heavily acct the AF until the number of hands we have on some1 is ~300+. it means nothing in a very small sample size like 50hands.

id probably 3b or fold the flop. if ur calling the flop, u shud b stack-a-donking just about every turn card off.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:21 AM
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id probably 3b or fold the flop. if ur calling the flop, u shud b stack-a-donking just about every turn card off.

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Why calling is bad? Because you are OOP and if villain thinks his TT/JJ/draw is good on the flop then he probably shoot another barrel on the turn and we still have difficult decision?

And 3Bet, how much? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Like 20-22$? But then you are putting almost half of your stack on the line. I hate these spots.

I think folding is weak, calling is bad and 3beting commits too much money. Damn I don't know.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:25 AM
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Default Re: NL50 QQ rough spot

I don't see how you call that flop and then fold the turn. Are we wanting a queen on the turn? By calling and then checking the turn you are giving the pot away as the villain is almost always going to bet again after a raise. I'm not saying a fold is a bad play, but this decision should have been made on the flop, not the turn.
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