Likely standard flop spot in 3b 3way pot

[luckybacon]

im almost always the poster that says yah get it in, etc b/c i dont fold. but in this spot i think its a fold.
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150 bb deep
very obvious we have an over pair (dont think hes going to bluff b/c i dont think he expects us to fold on an innocent board)
his range is most likely small pairs from preflop action.

[ajmargarine]

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im almost always the poster that says yah get it in, etc b/c i dont fold. but in this spot i think its a fold.
factors
150 bb deep
very obvious we have an over pair (dont think hes going to bluff b/c i dont think he expects us to fold on an innocent board)
his range is most likely small pairs from preflop action.

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Ya, when I titled my post "likely standard" it referred to this being a fold, not a puah.

[Jay Riall]

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Get it in. Would you even consider folding KK here(I wouldn't)? JJ is very similar to KK here.

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Would you get it in with 99 here? 99 is very similar to JJ here.

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Probably not. TT/JJ are pretty likely hands for him to have with this line given pf and flop. Also, AJ/AT have an extra 12% equity vs 99.

[Nick Royale]

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Get it in. Would you even consider folding KK here(I wouldn't)? JJ is very similar to KK here.

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Would you get it in with 99 here? 99 is very similar to JJ here.

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Many call a raise with JJ/TT preflop. Obv KK>>>99. The differance between KK and JJ isn't insignificant either, because AsKs/AsQs/KsQs/QsJs/KsJs etc will probably make up for a decent part of his range. I'd say KK>JJ>>>99.

[Jay Riall]

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Get it in. Would you even consider folding KK here(I wouldn't)? JJ is very similar to KK here.

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Would you get it in with 99 here? 99 is very similar to JJ here.

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Many call a raise with JJ/TT preflop. Obv KK>>>99. The differance between KK and JJ isn't insignificant either, because AsKs/AsQs/KsQs/QsJs/KsJs will probably make up for a decent part of his range. I'd say KK>JJ>>>99.

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Agree. Maybe I came across a bit strong with saying JJ is very similar to KK, but there isn't a huge difference imo.

[ReptileHouse]

JJ is really, really close. I probably pitch it here without a read. I'm not sure I completely like that answer, though. I snap call (with moderate fist pump) KK. I insta-fold 99.

[thedustbustr]

well clearly the responses are very divided, which does mean that this is a pretty nasty spot, not at all a snap-anything.

lets consider if there are any other lines we might take where are course of action is not so fuzzy.

how about a flop checkraise?

[pineapple888]

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well clearly the responses are very divided, which does mean that this is a pretty nasty spot, not at all a snap-anything.

lets consider if there are any other lines we might take where are course of action is not so fuzzy.

how about a flop checkraise?

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Don't particularly like other lines. Check-through is pretty ugly. With JJ I think you just have to drive the action here.

Regarding why I'm getting it in (apologies for not explaining) we have $100 left and $70 in the middle after our bet. Given that many people overplay their middle pairs in this type of spot, there's no way I'm leaving that money out there. If he's good/bad enough to play AA/KK this way, GG him. So this is typically 99-QQ with other garbage we beat thrown in, plus some sets that we lose to. That makes JJ a pretty easy shove to me. TT is when I would puke and probably fold.

[cs3]

villain is only raising:
1) hands that have you crushed - QQ+ (hes unknown so big pairs are very possible, and sets (he called a raise and then a reraise, so small pp's very likely)

2) combo draws that have greater equity than JJ (AsXs where X = 4/Q/K)

3) pp's 66-TT (very unlikely because people dont generally [censored] around in 3 bet pots, and especially not in multiway 3 bet pots, and ESPECIALLY not 150bb's

the frequency of (1) + (2) >>> (3)

pretty standard looking fold imo

[Lurker.]

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i'd get it in.

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care to elaborate....i'm usually folding in spots like these. I'd like to hear a case for shoving....