M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread

[Landlord79]

I'm so glad that I waded through the first half of this thread. I won't be SSing anytime soon, but I think this will give me a good basis of how to start learning how to counter this strategy.

[alex-star]

I have 2 questions.

1. Serious question. This sounds awefully like a push/fold application of the ICM-based SNG strategy. However, SNGs are geared towards winning top spot in a fixed prize pool (thus dealing in chip equity). How's this applicable to the cash game with unlimited buy-ins?
2. Silly question. Let's say you start as a SS with 20 BBs. using this push/fold strategy you double-up and the double-up again. You're no longer a SS. Do you leave the table and go play somewhere else?

[inverted]

alex thats called ratholing and people hate it, in fact I think its the main reason people hate short stackers. When I Short stacked clearing the stars bonus I would buy to full after doubling up I hated playing mid stack poker.

[CalledDownLight]

dude, wtf are you doing?

[MyTurn2Raise]

ooops

forgot E = effective stack size in the formula above

[MyTurn2Raise]

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Nice start.

I think defining a particular villain's call range to be the most difficult. Some are more stubborn than others, but , to me, there isn't a good HUD stat that helps me set the call range.

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yep...that just comes from experience as it is extreme from individual to individual how they will respond to shortstackers

this brings up the equilibrium solution

the graph and example I should had to do with exploitive solutions--trying to maximize verse a particular opponent

however, one can just come up with a bland equilibrium solution that will be +ev verse any calling range

play around in pokerstove and find the hands that work no matter the villain calling range

[illini43]

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dude, wtf are you doing?

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The fact that this response is only found in short-stacking threads is amusing.

Any strategy post is giving away free info about how to play better poker. This is the same IMO.

Short-stacking is no different IMO than playing like 10/4 or 8/2 or whatever some of the super nits out there play. You just need to adapt.


In relation to the short-stacking strategy, I can easily see how ss'ing 6max is more profitable as the ranges people use are wider.

In FR, most of the "good" short-stackers are getting it in pf only with like TT+/AQ+ because raising ranges are more easily defined IMO. In 6max, you need to raise more to at least stay with the blinds -> larger raising ranges -> more EV to push a wider range against a possible steal.

A lot of SS strategy can be applied to or taken from MTT strategy, since very rarely will players have more than 50BB in a pot later in a tournament and you need to be able to balance ranges and re-steal if you want to be at least a decent MTT'er.

Your analysis seems very interesting MT2R. I will check it out over break after I finish my 15 page paper..woohoo

[stinkypete]

lol donkaments

[kurosh]

MT2R: You're a [censored] idiot. I'm sick of you idiots posting info about shortstacking to try and get attention. You're not good. You're not cool. You're probably not even a winning shortstacker at decent limits. Shut. the. [censored]. up.



Kursoh is getting a day off for posting this - so don't follow his example - diebitter

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MT2R: You're a [censored] idiot. I'm sick of you idiots posting info about shortstacking to try and get attention. You're not good. You're not cool. You're probably not even a winning shortstacker at decent limits. Shut. the. [censored]. up.

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kurosh,

you were so much more entertaining when you were a degen limit player, than a nl SS