PS 50NL KK bad turn against floater - Page 2

iheartponeez · #11 11-22-2007, 04:23 AM

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I think if you bet larger on the flop you can def rule out AK/AQ hands and those are probably the only Ax hands in villian's range that improve on the turn.

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That's not how floating works. A floater is someone who ISN'T folding Ax/pockets/etc to a c-bet with the intention of using position to take the pot away on the turn or river. If I'm going to float you, a larger flop bet isn't typically going to stop me.

matrix · #12 11-22-2007, 04:56 AM

a little over half pot on this flop is plenty big enough - tho if you know he calls every flop he's seen and we gots an OP I full pot this basically you wanna bet as much as he'll call - if you think he calls a shove all the time then shoving is the correct play.

lead turn fold to a raise.

as played I tend to call the turn and re-eval the river - fold to a serious river bet & check behind if checked to. It's very villain dependant tho and if I've not seen villain float me then I usually fold the turn if I somehow get myself into this spot.

corsakh · #13 11-22-2007, 05:04 AM

Turn is a blank. Not just any blank, but a blank that some retards would bluff on.

idontlikeyou · #14 11-22-2007, 05:36 AM

just seeing the turn in the post made me vomit in my mouth. we dont have much FE here as a push wouldn't be enough to push him of a weak ace so it obviously comes down to his range. i think there are better spots than this as villian shows up AxFACEx a lot, especially after weakish flop bet. i would think about putting you on a PP <10 after seeing your flop bet which would make a float a good play. you think villian would do it with something like KJ? i think an ace is very very likely here

Shattered · #15 11-22-2007, 06:12 AM

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Turn is a blank. Not just any blank, but a blank that some retards would bluff on.

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What makes you say that? Stuff like AJ makes up a very large part of his floating range. Sure, if we felt that he was playing tight then the only possible hand that he could have improved is AT, but that's not the case here.

Unless I'm missing something, that ace is the complete opposite of a blank.

corsakh · #16 11-22-2007, 06:14 AM

If he is stupid enough to float with AJ, he is stupid enough to float with KQ or 22.

Shattered · #17 11-22-2007, 06:15 AM

Completely agree. How does that change how the ace improves his range a ton?

corsakh · #18 11-22-2007, 06:22 AM

If he indeed floats really light, A is a perfect card in his eyes to bluff on if you show weakness.

Burcak · #19 11-22-2007, 06:23 AM

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Turn is a blank. Not just any blank, but a blank that some retards would bluff on.

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I would totally agree if the flop bet was 11$.

I can see him calling that flop if he has AQ or AJ now.

I would bet the flop 11$, and c/rai the turn. As played I am not sure tbh. Would probably call/call.

Also I believe the flop bet is a tournament bet.

Shattered · #20 11-22-2007, 06:29 AM

Yes, but it's okay to be bluffed off sometimes; if he's even a marginally competent floater he's betting this with or without the ace. An ace is almost half of his PF raising range, which is pretty much the same as his range now. I doubt it's profitable to continue playing the hand when villain knows exactly where he is and you have no idea OoP but I'd be happy to be proven otherwise.