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Old 07-06-2006, 04:09 AM
TheBody TheBody is offline
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Default ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t400 with t25 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t5740)
Button (t4060)
SB (t50)
BB (t3650)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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If I call in this situation I'm 100% certain that the big blind will come over the top of me (as he probably should) so this leaves me with folding, pushing or raising. The button is likely to fold if I push/raise however the BB concerns me. Given that he's solid I'd expect his range to be very tight to call however I'm wondering if its worth the risk to only gain approx 2bbs.
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Old 07-06-2006, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

ALL IN

edit: wtf? BB/Button shouldn't come over the top of you with anything less than JJ+
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Old 07-06-2006, 04:27 AM
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

Push and they should fold aces probably, not that they will, Ive seen 'good players' (allegedly) calling with AK and 99 in these spots before.

Mack
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Old 07-06-2006, 04:30 AM
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

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Push and they should fold aces probably, not that they will, Ive seen 'good players' (allegedly) calling with AK and 99 in these spots before.

Mack

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Are you sure it's a good idea to fold 99 when the SB is already all-in??
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Old 07-06-2006, 04:52 AM
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

This is ugly. BB/Button SHOULDN'T call your push without like KK+ but since when has a play being bad stopped anyone?

I think I push anyway.
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Old 07-06-2006, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

Good point. But yeah 99 I am for sure, rethink on the others due though.

Mack
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Old 07-06-2006, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

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This is ugly. BB/Button SHOULDN'T call your push without like KK+ but since when has a play being bad stopped anyone?

I think I push anyway.

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Yes he should. SB is allin.
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Old 07-06-2006, 04:58 AM
mackthefork mackthefork is offline
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

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Push and they should fold aces probably, not that they will, Ive seen 'good players' (allegedly) calling with AK and 99 in these spots before.

Mack

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Are you sure it's a good idea to fold 99 when the SB is already all-in??

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To answer this question you really need an excellent read on the hero, and I don't have one, even though i know what his hand is, if you see what I mean.

Mack
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Old 07-06-2006, 05:13 AM
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

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This is ugly. BB/Button SHOULDN'T call your push without like KK+ but since when has a play being bad stopped anyone?

I think I push anyway.

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Yes he should. SB is allin.

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Are you people retarded?

SB could still survive this hand and have 175 later on. Because of this, hero should be pushing any 2.


Hero (t5740)
Button (t4060)
SB (t50)
BB (t3650)

2/400 a 25

If BTN calls hero's all in and wins and sb is knocked out:

he has 8595 =.42
hero has 1680
bb has 3225

If BTN folds and hero knocks out SB:

6240
4035 ~.3247
3225

.3247/.42

need 77% equity


If BB calls hero's all in and wins and sb is knocked out:

bb 7375 .3972
hero 2090
button 4035

If BB folds and hero knocks out SB:

4035
6240
3225 .3024

bb needs 76% equity

so they both need JJ+ to call here if villian is truly pushing any 2 cards here. if he's not, then they need roughly either QQ+ or KK+.
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Old 07-06-2006, 05:22 AM
Bm7b5 Bm7b5 is offline
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Default Re: ($27 PS) TT on the bubble with small blind already committed

You should push. BB can only profitably call with AA. KK is probably marginally profitable. Sheets just finished a video lecture on this with all the math behind it for this very situation at PokerXFactor (not that you need a video lecture to figure this out).
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