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11-16-2007, 10:43 PM
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Boro, did you become a libertarian before or after you took your job as a publicly funded teacher? Shouldnt you have quit your job the instant you realised your paycheck was funded by coercion? You might want to turn the indignation down a notch or two. [/ QUOTE ] Borodog is not in a position where he breaks into people's homes and drags them off to prison for no good reason and possibly having to kill them if they resist. The situation is not remotely comparable. 
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#72
11-16-2007, 10:46 PM
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[ QUOTE ] And that makes them evil. imo. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, enforcing laws made through a system that the vast majority of the people seem to be generally in favor of clearly makes them evil. And any comparisons to other societies where the people seemed to support genocide of people based on ethnicity or political or religious beliefs are of course warranted, any law or system that you disagree with is obviously comparable to the worst systems and laws imaginable... [/ QUOTE ] Fixed Your Snip. Hey. You are free to advocate violence against others for stamping little bits of metal into circles and claim that you are morally justified in doing so. I just think it's insane.
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#73
11-16-2007, 10:46 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them? [/ QUOTE ] Didn't see anywhere in the article where any weapon was pointed at anyone's face.
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#74
11-16-2007, 10:50 PM
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Boro, did you become a libertarian before or after you took your job as a publicly funded teacher? Shouldnt you have quit your job the instant you realised your paycheck was funded by coercion? You might want to turn the indignation down a notch or two. [/ QUOTE ] I did quit my job because my paycheck was funded by coercion, bucko. I started an entire thread on what a hypocrite I was for taking taxpayer money. The consensus is that if the government largely monopolizes the barber industry, it doesn't make one evil for wanting to cut hair. The government has largely monopolized astrophysical rese3arch. It does not make one evil for having to use public roads because the government has squeezed private ones out of existence. But what I do NOT do is break into people's private property, point guns at them, and personally steal their [censored]. Perhaps its an illusory difference that allows me to assuage my conscience and keep my sanity, but I'll take it.
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#75
11-16-2007, 10:51 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Boro, did you become a libertarian before or after you took your job as a publicly funded teacher? Shouldnt you have quit your job the instant you realised your paycheck was funded by coercion? You might want to turn the indignation down a notch or two. [/ QUOTE ] Borodog is not in a position where he breaks into people's homes and drags them off to prison for no good reason and possibly having to kill them if they resist. The situation is not remotely comparable. [/ QUOTE ] Boro and I both get our paychecks from the same place. If he disagrees with his job, he should quit. Telling me to do so when he's refusing is hypocritical.
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#76
11-16-2007, 10:51 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them? [/ QUOTE ] Didn't see anywhere in the article where any weapon was pointed at anyone's face. [/ QUOTE ] What would have happened had they resisted?
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#77
11-16-2007, 10:53 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Boro, did you become a libertarian before or after you took your job as a publicly funded teacher? Shouldnt you have quit your job the instant you realised your paycheck was funded by coercion? You might want to turn the indignation down a notch or two. [/ QUOTE ] Borodog is not in a position where he breaks into people's homes and drags them off to prison for no good reason and possibly having to kill them if they resist. The situation is not remotely comparable. [/ QUOTE ] Boro and I both get our paychecks from the same place. If he disagrees with his job, he should quit. Telling me to do so when he's refusing is hypocritical. [/ QUOTE ] I did quit. My last day is December 17th. When is yours? And I'm not telling you to quit. Unless of course you use violence against people who've done nothing wrong. In which case, yes. You should quit.
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#78
11-16-2007, 10:54 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Boro, did you become a libertarian before or after you took your job as a publicly funded teacher? Shouldnt you have quit your job the instant you realised your paycheck was funded by coercion? You might want to turn the indignation down a notch or two. [/ QUOTE ] Borodog is not in a position where he breaks into people's homes and drags them off to prison for no good reason and possibly having to kill them if they resist. The situation is not remotely comparable. [/ QUOTE ] Boro and I both get our paychecks from the same place. If he disagrees with his job, he should quit. Telling me to do so when he's refusing is hypocritical. [/ QUOTE ] I did quit. My last day is December 17th. When is yours? And I'm not telling you to quit. Unless of course you use violence against people who've done nothing wrong. In which case, yes. You should quit. [/ QUOTE ] Nope, I don't. Thank you for your approval. It means more than you know, I can assure you. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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#79
11-16-2007, 10:56 PM
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[ QUOTE ] And that makes them evil. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, enforcing laws made through a system that the vast majority of the people seem to be generally in favor of clearly makes them evil. [/ QUOTE ] So slavery wasn't evil either?
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#80
11-16-2007, 10:57 PM
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Re: Liberty Dollar office raided
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Just to make my position clear, this sort of "just doing their jobs" bull [censored] justifies anything evil. If "just doing your job" justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and confiscating the private property of people for the incredible offense of stamping little bits of metal into circles, then it justifies breaking into private property with guns drawn and violating anyone's rights for any reason at all. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you that the search warrant itself was wrong, but I believe you're incredibly ill informed if you believe every law enforcement officer is in total agreement over every search warrant they serve, and I also believe you're full of [censored] if you're going to tell me you would work for many years to make it to the top of your given career's ladder, then defiantly quit your job because you were told to perform a routine task that you didn't agree with. You can't honestly expect anyone to buy that idealistic bull [censored]. I just don't see it happening. [/ QUOTE ] Believe it or not, some of us do go through life refusing to do things we feel are morally wrong to others. It's not easy and is rarely rewarded. Of course, I would never expect a career law enforcement officer to quit their job over this warrant. They sold that piece of their soul many, many, many times before they ever got where they are today. [/ QUOTE ] Can you cite whatever source or experience you have to back this absurd claim? Get a speeding ticket you didn't agree with or something? [/ QUOTE ] How does getting a speeding ticket equate to pointing a gun in someone's face and stealing twenty million dollars of property from them? [/ QUOTE ] Didn't see anywhere in the article where any weapon was pointed at anyone's face. [/ QUOTE ] What would have happened had they resisted? [/ QUOTE ] The little office ladies would've been yelled at in a slightly threatening manner LDO. Stop trying to make this FBI raid of an office building into some violent SWAT assault. Believe me, had it happened, they would've been all over it. Crying middle aged women saying things such as "The barrel of that gun was so long and black, I was terrified beyond belief!" make great sound bytes.
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