2nd hand of Mulligan AA

[ASPoker8]

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This hand is a good example of goals and reasonable expectations.

The appropriate times to massively scale risk on AA are pre-flop and flop. On the turn and river one should be wary of adding variance well outside of a reasonable expectation for unimproved AA.

Skilled dynamic hand readers can argue to death the ratio of hero ahead/behind but that is not how to make a decision in this hand.

Making the call puts your risk/stack ratio well beyond a reasonable expectation for unimproved AA on the river. Even if a slightly +EV opportunity is perceived, it is not a worth it from the standpoint of relative opportunity of stack utility.

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So if calling this river is +EV you would still fold?

Proceed to Baltostar ruining another thread...

[RandALLin]

Eh, I think timing tells are kind of important here. Also, what spade/spade combo hand calls here preflop alot? I guess you could db him, then decide. It is pretty much read based IMO as each case here has some piece of little info that makes it a call/fold. I think the longer he takes before the river shove the more likely I am to fold as the faster he shoves the river makes me want to call.

[LuckyLloyd]

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This hand is a good example of goals and reasonable expectations.

The appropriate times to massively scale risk on AA are pre-flop and flop. On the turn and river one should be wary of adding variance well outside of a reasonable expectation for unimproved AA.

Skilled dynamic hand readers can argue to death the ratio of hero ahead/behind but that is not how to make a decision in this hand.

Making the call puts your risk/stack ratio well beyond a reasonable expectation for unimproved AA on the river. Even if a slightly +EV opportunity is perceived, it is not a worth it from the standpoint of relative opportunity of stack utility.

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[RandALLin]

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This hand is a good example of goals and reasonable expectations.

The appropriate times to massively scale risk on AA are pre-flop and flop. On the turn and river one should be wary of adding variance well outside of a reasonable expectation for unimproved AA.

Skilled dynamic hand readers can argue to death the ratio of hero ahead/behind but that is not how to make a decision in this hand.

Making the call puts your risk/stack ratio well beyond a reasonable expectation for unimproved AA on the river. Even if a slightly +EV opportunity is perceived, it is not a worth it from the standpoint of relative opportunity of stack utility.

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Yeah I ran out of toilet paper so I printed off what baltostar said until I get some more.

[stealthmunk]

Baltostar is GigaBet reincarnate.

[moneyymakerr]

i bet more on the turn.

[Astyanax]

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even though the 9 is os, its still a pretty bad card vs his range, I don't think he's valueshoving a worse hand than AA often at all and it seems unlilkely for it to be a bluff..

i'd fold

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If he's good, why wouldn't he value shove kj etc since your hand does not look like aces more than any other in your range for raising pre. This is surely a bluff/value bet with worse, enough to call, rounding off a well-played hand.

[ASPoker8]

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even though the 9 is os, its still a pretty bad card vs his range, I don't think he's valueshoving a worse hand than AA often at all and it seems unlilkely for it to be a bluff..

i'd fold

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If he's good, why wouldn't he value shove kj etc since your hand does not look like aces more than any other in your range for raising pre. This is surely a bluff/value bet with worse, enough to call, rounding off a well-played hand.

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errr.. what?

I never said he wouldn't valueshove KJ.
I said it was unlikely he would valueshove a worse hand, which I still think is true

[Astyanax]

wow, apply all my comments for kq, sorry dude.