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Old 07-27-2007, 09:03 AM
greggg230 greggg230 is offline
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Default PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t300 with t25 antes (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t7975)
UTG+1 (t4420)
MP1 (t2465)
MP2 (t5301)
MP3 (t6324)
CO (t965)
Button (t11400)
Hero (t8131)
BB (t4040)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t300, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t300, MP3 calls t300, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1800</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, UTG calls t1500, MP2 calls t1500, MP3 calls t1500

Flop: (t7875) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero ??

The only bet I can make at this point is to go all-in. There's no reason to to put anyone on a higher pocket pair or even really an 8, but who knows.

What's your play here?
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Old 07-27-2007, 09:43 AM
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Default Re: PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

I think pushing is fine here. I can't see anyone limp-calling with JJ+, so you are probably up against a bunch of overcards or smaller pocket pairs. The pot is large enough that a push will be less than a pot-sized bet, so I would shove it in here. The only hands that I can see villians having that are ahead are A8 and 33, but I think you might get looked up by 55-99 and occasionally AK/AQ, which gives you some value in pushing - plus the pot is huge.
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Old 07-27-2007, 09:46 AM
All_In_Olly All_In_Olly is offline
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Default Re: PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

I think a shove is fine - don't think your opponents have 33 or 8x enough to make it a bad play.
And you'll still get calls sometimes by smaller pocket pairs.
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Old 07-27-2007, 09:50 AM
JoeyJoJo Shabadu JoeyJoJo Shabadu is offline
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Default Re: PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

I'll assume we want to end this here and now and don't care about getting more out of the hand as I would be happy with that result. Shove. C/R all-in will give any better odds to call whatever is left over so that's out. Any other bet pot commits us.... so it's either fold or shove.

I don't know if your prf raise was big enough with 3 limpers already. 1500 into 3000 to call for the 1st limper and then it spirals. and you're OOP... I know it wasn't your question... just saying is all.
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:05 AM
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Default Re: PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

push &amp; pray.
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:00 AM
ger664 ger664 is offline
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Default Re: PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

Post Flop

As played I think a shove is probably the most optimal play.

Pre Flop.

Have you any read on UTG limp here. Is it standard or out of line ? Does he limp call raises ?
With that in mind I would either complete and reevaluate the flop or re-raise to t2500/shove.
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:19 AM
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Default Re: PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

You shove, they fold and will think twice about not respecting your preflop raise the next time

nh
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Old 07-27-2007, 11:35 AM
greggg230 greggg230 is offline
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Default Re: PS $5.50 - TT OOP with a bunch of callers, raggy flop

No read on anyone. Was moved to this table shortly before this hand.

I can definitely see the logic of a bigger raise. M's were so low that I thought there was no way I'd get more than one call with a 6 BB raise, but surprise surprise, no one folded. 2500 sounds about right given that there are a lot of flops I don't want to see and I'm OOP.

Though, completion also makes total sense. There needs to be fold equity for a big raise to make sense, and I'm not sure if there's enough in this stage of the donkament.

Results, called by 84s and I get no help. Oh well.
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