AK in position, line check please...

[BubbleMint]

UTG has been trappy. Waiting until the turn to raise flopped sets and two pairs, even on drawy boards.

MP1 plays 6 max primarily, he linmps or cold calls with suiyed conectors and suited gappers, is generally passive.

Other players are unknowns.

On the flop, 4 is too many to C bet against ? I think the rule of thumb is to C bet 3 or less ?

Full Tilt 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (7.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

River: (11.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

[Mitke]

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That's too drawy a board to c-bet + you've got company in numbers. You will not win the pot here. You will not in all likehood clear any outs. Your outs can be dirty (reverse domination must be a worry here).

The pot is biggish but you probably don't have the best hand and chances are a bet here wouldn't win you much equity. Any pair on that board probably has a GS to help.

I'd probably take the free card vs. two villains in this kind of a spot quite often.

WP, nice hand.

[Saikkonen]

It really is an easy check. You will most certainly be against a least a pair or a gutshotdraw which all have odds to call. So it'll be a clear mistake to sweeten the pot when you actually will be behind most of the time.

The hand is well played.

Against two players I mostly continuebet. Both just have to fold 1/15 which mostly equals that combined they should fold each 1/4 of the time. Or said another way. Each should call 75% of the time to make a contbet unprofitable against two. But against 3 the combined probabilities are just too low.

[myKing]

What about betting to narrow the field and take a free turn card?

[KitCloudkicker]

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lol

[Mitke]

The pot is so big that if villains are faced with one SB they are right to call with a pocket pair and BDSD.

You probably won't narrow the field with a bet significantly, and you could easily be betting into a trap (note: trapping would be pretty stupid here with this board and this many to the flop and no quaranteed c-bet).

[One Outer]

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What about betting to narrow the field

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lol

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I'm chuckling. QFT.

[jesse8888]

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What about betting to narrow the field and take a free turn card?

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Narrowing the field here will be almost impossible. In a pot this big, everyone is going to peel and, at least against your hand, is right to do. Given that it's almost impossible for you to be currently winning, I just don't think betting here is the right way to go.

[jeffnc]

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Narrowing the field here will be almost impossible. In a pot this big, everyone is going to peel and, at least against your hand, is right to do.

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Not only is it not impossible, it's extremely likely. No, not everyone is going to peel. Betting to narrow the field (say from 4 opponents to 2 or 3), and to also get a free card, has merit.

However, some of the folders might hold weaker aces or kings, so we don't want them to fold. Usually you use this sort of reasoning to get better aces to fold, to "clean up your ace outs". We have no outs to clean here - we like our outs just like they are (with the exception of A7 and A9 hands, but we probably can't fold those anyway.

[elindauer]

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Narrowing the field to yourself and the best hand really doesn't help your situation. AK unimproved is a terrible "narrow the field" hand, because you will rarely be able to fold the kind of hand that would give you extra outs. Consider that the "extra outs" hand for AK unimproved are hands with pairs... weaker aces that you dominated preflop but that now have you in a bad spot. It would be pretty rare for a player to fold a pair on this board given this pot size.

If they do, it will surely take two bets cold, and if you end up paying 2 small bets to clean up two outs in a pot this size, you're pretty unhappy. The pot is big, but it's not THAT big.

Cleaning up outs is for, say, JT on a 97 high flop. Now you can fold hands like QT, KJ, AT, etc etc etc and make a turned top pair good. Plus, you have good equity anyways against a hand like A9 so you don't mind pay 2 bets to clean up your outs.

Hope that cleared things up a bit.

Eric