Yet another NYC raid

[FireStorm]

Please reread. The above cut and paste actually has less than zero to do with poker rooms. It is in reponse to the person above me talking about jaywalking and speeding. I have posted about such risks two or three dozen times recently, so clearly I am aware and not going to downplay risks of working.

Jose's name has been thrown around quite a bit. I don't know him personally. This was about a year and change before I became involved over there. Nobody involved with me did jail time or anything close to it, albeit one person is still on the lam.

[CincyLady]

Why not take this opportunity and instead of complaining about the raids, work with your state representives to create a bill to change your states contitution to allow for card rooms, and have it put on the next ballot?

I'm sure there are enough poker players in NY that would be more than willing to sign a petition to have such a law/change to the NY Constitution put onto the ballot, that would allow for card rooms in NY (like they are in California).

[Mattyspin]

Jose is in fact a very decent guy. Very amiable, but lending $$$$ and other business practices exercised at the soccer club are what caused him to do time.

one thiing i'll always remember about Jose is that he'd never turn his back on anyone who worked with/for him. unfortunately, that ended up hurting him legally from what i heard.

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Why not take this opportunity and instead of complaining about the raids, work with your state representives to create a bill to change your states contitution to allow for card rooms, and have it put on the next ballot?

I'm sure there are enough poker players in NY that would be more than willing to sign a petition to have such a law/change to the NY Constitution put onto the ballot, that would allow for card rooms in NY (like they are in California).

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everybody sing with me... Daydream Believer....

The state is lobbying to get casinos on reservations and that didn't work out too good, that is a much bigger priority for them than Poker is especially since the Governor was part of the poker crackdown when he was the most powerful AG in the nation.

bad news, it wont happen. California was a fluke due to the court system, it wasn't legislated, and since that time California has adjusted their laws to keep new rooms from oepning.

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Jose is in fact a very decent guy. Very amiable, but lending $$$$ and other business practices exercised at the soccer club are what caused him to do time.

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thats what caused him to do longer time, his partners were in the clink too. Jose's problem was with his other businesses in addition to the Soccor Club which just compounded the problems - NJ is one of the toughest in the nation when it comes to illegal gambling.

[TMTTR]

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Why not take this opportunity and instead of complaining about the raids, work with your state representives to create a bill to change your states contitution to allow for card rooms, and have it put on the next ballot?

I'm sure there are enough poker players in NY that would be more than willing to sign a petition to have such a law/change to the NY Constitution put onto the ballot, that would allow for card rooms in NY (like they are in California).

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here we go again...

[FireStorm]

Petition idea is a noble one, but will never pan out. You simply will be met with too much resistance no matter how many people you proceed ahead with.

[CincyLady]

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Why not take this opportunity and instead of complaining about the raids, work with your state representives to create a bill to change your states contitution to allow for card rooms, and have it put on the next ballot?

I'm sure there are enough poker players in NY that would be more than willing to sign a petition to have such a law/change to the NY Constitution put onto the ballot, that would allow for card rooms in NY (like they are in California).

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everybody sing with me... Daydream Believer....

The state is lobbying to get casinos on reservations and that didn't work out too good, that is a much bigger priority for them than Poker is especially since the Governor was part of the poker crackdown when he was the most powerful AG in the nation.

bad news, it wont happen. California was a fluke due to the court system, it wasn't legislated, and since that time California has adjusted their laws to keep new rooms from oepning.

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Well, as for me, I don't live in NY, but all I was trying to say, was that instead of complaining about how the law is, why not try to work as a group to get the existing laws changed?

I don't know of any state in the union, where a citizen can NOT work to get a proposed law put onto the books by way of ballot.

Many people simply work with someone who knows how to write law (IE: Their State Rep), then go out and get enough signatures of registered voters, to put the proposed law on the ballot.

If enough people in that state then want for it to happen, they will vote for the law to pass, and it will become the (new) Law.

With poker as popular is it is today, I'm really surprised more people don't use this approach to get Card Rooms leagalized in their state.

Many people view poker differently these days, than they do Casino Gambling. Where as a law allowing for Casinos might not be voted in, one that would allow for Card rooms just might.

BTW ... I love the song Daydream believer! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

I might also point out that ... If not for many 'Daydream believers' putting action to their 'daydreams', we wouldn't even have this wonderful country called the United States of America.

[FireStorm]

It's actually possible that, eventually, people would have LESS interest in underground clubs if they were legalized. For less serious, less experienced players, there's somewhat of a romantic, intriguing element about going to a "private" game where you "have to know Johnny Balls" to get in. I imagine players who aren't B+M grinders get some sense of excitement out of this, particularly younger players.

Also, you would have to take into consideration that if legalized, initially cardroom would be on every block in populated areas. Eventually, many of them would have to shutter up and close due to too much competition and lack of players. They'd eat into each other. A number of cardrooms now can only sustain existence because they're the only game in the area.

[SteelWheel]

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am I to assume that if youre playing during a raid youre screwed as to the amount of money you have bought in for or have won? I kinda doubt the cops would let you cash in before leaving...

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In theory, Yes, you can be screwed in this situation. In practice though, the individuals who run a club generally hope to re-open in a new location in short order, in the hopes of retaining their customer base and returning to "business as usual". The only way to do that is to have the house go and make restitution.

Notice how most NYC clubs nowadays rake an extra dollar or two per pot, for "bad beat jackpots", Sunday freerolls and the like. Hint: Most of that money is not making it into the jackpot or prize pool. It's basically a way for the house to insure itself against being raided, losing their cash on hand, and still needing to make good with the players.

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