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Old 09-09-2007, 01:29 AM
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Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (16SB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero...

Results:
Final pot: 11BB

Do I call down all the way here if theres a bettor and a caller?
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Old 09-09-2007, 01:40 AM
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Default Re: big pot 2nd pair

in my games button is FOS like 85% of the time
check and assess. show down unless there is heavy action
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:16 AM
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Default Re: big pot 2nd pair

the king certanly scary!! and the question of folding and calling is close cus you also have a huge hand, but the fact is, if anyone have a king, you are toast unless you hit another queen, if checked to you, (good players) best thing is probably to check behind and hope for a miracle queen to hit the turn and if not fold to a bet, with idiot players, check/ call all the way
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Old 09-09-2007, 11:13 AM
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Default Re: big pot 2nd pair

Let's start with betting and see what happens. Pot is big enough, that you can peel if raised. With a completely drawless board I think you can fold the turn UI (if raised).
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Old 09-10-2007, 04:23 AM
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Default Re: big pot 2nd pair

Checking this flop puts you in a clueless situation if someone bets. You also have the initiative and an equity edge, so checking is pretty awful. If you get raised then play poker.
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Old 09-10-2007, 05:23 AM
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Default Re: big pot 2nd pair

with no read on the guys i think i would take the initiative in the pot and definitively bet the flop. If not raised, i would bet the turn as well with the intention on c/c the river.If im getting raised on the flop here, i still think i would try to make it to showdown but fold if the action is getting heavy on turn. If getting raised on the turn, i would fold.
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:38 AM
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Checking the flop is awful. You miss a ton of value when you're ahead, which is a good part of the time. When you're behind someone else would have probably bet anyway.

I would keep betting until the end until somebody acts back.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:23 AM
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Default Re: big pot 2nd pair

Same here. You can't check that.

Beware of UTG : he coldcall 2 bets on a cap. Then he must know someone has a big PP or AK.

I'd be extra careful here.
Don't get married to your queens.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:26 AM
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On this dry flop I'd bet/call my queens, fold if 3-Bet. Fold turn UI.
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