THEORY QUESTION: Which flops are best to float on?

Paul Thomson · #1 04-12-2007, 05:32 PM

Assume that the Villain is the kinda person who you should float. He raises a large % of his hands, has a 100% continuation bet stat, but almost never double barrells and gives up on the turn a ton.

Villain opens in CO. You call on the button and the blinds fold.

Rate the following flops in order from your favorite to worse to float on:
A) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
B) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
C) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
D) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
E) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

In other words, do you like wet or dry flops to float on?

orange · #2 04-12-2007, 05:37 PM

depends what hand i have. if you mean like a pure float (ie. like total air) then i'd float the K27/572 boards more probably.

i would flat call (float) with hands like 88 on the JJ2 board and probably check the turn behind (sometimes bet).

i like raising the A43[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] board alot and the J7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 board. puts some nasty decisions for villan.

Casper05 · #3 04-12-2007, 06:17 PM

K27, A43, 572, J76, JJ2. I'd raise all of these some, but it kinda depends on my holding obviously.

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i would flat call (float) with hands like 88 on the JJ2 board and probably check the turn behind (sometimes bet).

[/ QUOTE ] Sorry to hijack, but I dont like the turn check behind. If youre checking the turn behind, its because you think you are ahead and want to get to showdown, right? Well, I think youre losing value if this is the case. Bet the turn and hope he calls with Ax or whatever, because he isnt calling a river bet or betting himself unless he hits, so the turn check is essentially -EV. I think bet the turn and check the river. Thoughts?

Tickner · #4 04-12-2007, 06:19 PM

A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

orange · #5 04-12-2007, 06:21 PM

casper,
i doubt he c/cs that turn with Ax. and i think that sometimes you can get a bet from villan with his whatever hands, hoping you'll fold precisely your 88. but it depends on image and what you think of each other obviously.

Casper05 · #6 04-12-2007, 06:31 PM

orange, fair enough...that is exactly what I used to think but somebody (cant remember who) and I exchanged posts and I ended up changing my mind...now I am confused again.

So are you only hoping to get value from a bluff? I guess bet turn vs passives and check it vs TAGs???

Paul Thomson · #7 04-12-2007, 06:26 PM

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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No, I'd rather just call since he doesn't double-barrell.

Tickner · #8 04-12-2007, 06:52 PM

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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No, I'd rather just call since he doesn't double-barrell.

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yes, but if he doesnt double barell and gives up on a lot of turns he will probaby give up on the flop since he doesnt ever have much. agree?

pyedog · #9 04-12-2007, 06:26 PM

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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Why raise the flop? If he almost never double barrels then we can find out for cheaper that he whiffed if he checks the turn. Then the turn bet becomes less risky than a flop raise unless he likes to C/R a lot of turns to counter floats.

"He raises a large % of his hands, has a 100% continuation bet stat, but almost never double barrells and gives up on the turn a ton."

Paul Thomson · #10 04-12-2007, 06:28 PM

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A, D, C, B, E

vs this player id probably rather just raise the flop though, wouldnt you?

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Why do you like D for floating on. I figure that is one that I might stay away from, since most bad villains don't fold Aces. But this passive player might slow down on the turn.