400 NL : QQ overpair vs overbet shove on flop

[docnuclear]

I am tag 22/17/3, never seen this guy b4, go$$$ip if you know, he has reraised me once before I folded.
I don't know if he expects me to fold since my hand looks a lot like TT-QQ maybe AK or if he expects me to call since my hand lokks like TT-QQ ?????

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $440.55
SB: $210.15
BB: $400
UTG: $323.75
MP: $158.30
CO: $509.70

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $32</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $96</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $64

Flop: ($202) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $304 and is All-In</font>, Hero ????

[Laetus]

If you are going to fold this flop, fold pre. By the way, put him on a 4-bet range pre and act accordingly - if you are ahead, all-in and else fold obviously.

[docnuclear]

how would you play it pf and flop ?

[Laetus]

All-in pre-flop. Say he has a pretty tight RR range:


Hand 0: 48.664% 47.26% 01.40% 208782096 6203094.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 51.336% 49.93% 01.40% 220586148 6203094.00 { QQ }

Even then it's +EV, ad in some bluffs and a couple of combos of TT and it's even more +EV.

[CAMEL1111]

Looks fine to me.

[Yentz]

I dont really mind sometimes just calling the 4bet in position, especially if he might bluff with A high when AK, AQ and the odd light 4bet misses the flop.

I dont do so to fold to a push when no overs flop though, so I call here as played.

I think the flop overbet line is hard to interpret readless, at least I cant figure it out :-)
I see some people overbet push AA/KK to make it look bluffier and some push as a bluff with AK.

[johnnyrocket]

yea i think if we decide to go with it shove PF, otherwise i think we have to call this flop, he can do this with JJ+, i see people make this play way too often when they whiff with AK or AQ and want to put u to a tough decision. Its close but i think call is correct as shown by the odds above.

[docnuclear]

If we 5 bet shove pf don't we make JJ fold correctly and only keep AA KK and sometimes AK in the pot ?
Also it is a 4 bet not a 3 bet so I don't think JJ AQs or AQo TT are in his range

[Laetus]

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If we 5 bet shove pf don't we make JJ fold correctly and only keep AA KK and sometimes AK in the pot ?
Also it is a 4 bet not a 3 bet so I don't think JJ AQs or AQo TT are in his range

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Hmm... I don't agree w/ that... however why did you call pre if you think his range is KK+ and AK?

[Go_Blue88]

i know this logic often sucks....but if i'm calling preflop then i'm calling on a flop like this.